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Someone should have taken her keys away and not allowed her to drive and endanger her 3 children's lives...
Hmm I wonder who lives on that street? Didn't some kid get away with committing a crime in Lawrence that lives on that street? Ahh free to once again cause chaos!
Bernarda, NIEVES, Birth: 20 Aug 1880, Bayamon, Puerto Rico, Caribbean.
There have been multiple discussions about the class the latino women have brought to this area over the past weeks. Stabbings each other(specifically the spanish lady who stabbed her married boyfriends WIFE in a bar fight last week) the one whose "fiance" punched her 2 year old in the restaurant because the toddler wouldn't stop crying. The fatherless kids they breed that we hard working americans have to pay for etc etc etc
"She was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs, leaving the scene of a property damage accident, drinking alcohol from an open container in a vehicle and driving without a license."
Let's break this down for you; A) you don't mix alchol & anti-psychotic drugs and then drive - just plain dumb; B) she left the scene of a hit and run - obviously she knew she was drunk and didn't want to get caught; C) she had an open container in the car - that's fresh alcohol in her system making her much more likely to be more drunk than if she had had 3 drinks earlier int he day; and D) she didn't have a license so she shouldn't have been driving PERIOD!
I can't cast a stone about driving legally drunk, but I NEVER did it with my kids in the car. Do I blame her and hold her 100% accountable for her deplorable actions, I sure do. Get your head out of the sand and look at the facts.
the person who hasn't done this can cast the first stone...
yada, yada, yada.
And this is why the behavior continues. Because it is
endorsed by their peers.
Fact is, yes, we do blame her. And rightfully so. How dare she
jeopardize her children's safety. There are absolutely no excuses for it. Yet, you people, time and time again, find one.
Lameass as it is.
So, screw you, mc. To not blame her is to announce to the
world just what a derelict you are.
We white just wish you Latinos would stop draining us taxpayers, we are tired of supporting the lazy white, hispanics,
mexicans, and any others who come here expecting a free ride.
She sounds like she has got it together. Good for her!!!
You sound like you got it together. Good for you!!
Think before you jump, that's all.
Now I know this country is going down the tubes when freedom of speech is curtailed!!
Think it's time to hit the books sweetheart! Did you drop out? Isnt that typical ,All American. Yeah ,like I said, you are a disgrace to all things American.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people can automatically defend this sort of behavior.
Yes, there are racists in virtually every country in the world. The only difference is, in Puerto Rico, they didn't throw hot tar and feathers afterwards. They didn't lynch them or commited not even 1/3 of what racists in the United States have done to people of color. As-a-matter-of-fact, Puerto Rico is highly influenced by Africans and the people who were once slaves, brought to Puerto Rico by the Spaniards during the slave trade. Even Africa had slavery within itself! Take time to ready this:
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Abolition of Slavery
Indemnity bond paid as compensation to former owners of freed slaves
Indemnity bond paid as compensation to former owners of freed slaves
On March 22, 1873, slavery was abolished in Puerto Rico. Slave owners were to free their slaves in exchange of a monetary compensation. The majority of the freed slaves continued to work for their former masters with the difference that they were now freeman and received what was considered a just pay for their labor.[23]
The freed slaves were able to fully integrate themselves into Puerto Rico's society. It cannot be denied that racism has existed in Puerto Rico since racism is something that exists in every country, however, racism in Puerto Rico did not exist to the extent of other places in the New World, possibly because of the following factors:
* In the 8th century, nearly all of Spain was conquered (711 — 718), by the Muslim Moors who had crossed over from North Africa. The first blacks were brought to Spain during Arab domination by North African merchants. By the middle of the 13th century all of the Iberian peninsula had been reconquered. A section of the city of Seville, which once was a Moorish stronghold, was inhabited by thousands of blacks. Blacks became freeman after converting to Christianity and lived fully integrated in Spanish society. Black women were highly sought after by Spanish males. Spain's exposure to people of color over the centuries accounted for the positive racial attitudes that were to prevail in the New World. Therefore, it was no surprise that the first conquistadors who arrived to the island, intermarried with the native Taínos and later with the African immigrants.[7]
* The Catholic Church played an instrumental role in the human dignity and social integration of the black man in Puerto Rico. The church insisted that every slave be baptized and converted to the Catholic faith. In accordance to the church's doctrine, master and slave were equal before the eyes of God and therefore brothers in Christ with a common moral and religious character. Cruel and unusual punishment of slaves was considered a violation of the fifth commandment.[7]
* When the gold mines were declared depleted in 1570 and mining came to an end in Puerto Rico, the vast majority of the white Spanish settlers left the island to seek their fortunes in the richer colonies such as Mexico and the island became a Spanish garrison. The majority of those who stayed behind were either black or mulattos (of mixed race). By the time Spain reestablished her commercial ties with Puerto Rico, the island had a large multiracial population. Even though one of the reasons that the Spanish Crown put the Royal Decree of Graces of 1815 into effect was to "whiten" the island's population by offering attractive incentives to non-Hispanic Europeans, the new arrivals continued to intermarry with the native islanders. By 1868, the majority of the population of Puerto Rico was interracially mixed.[7]
African influence in Puerto Rican culture
The descents of the former African slaves became instrumental in the development of Puerto Rico's political, economic and cultural structure. They overcame many obstacles and have made their presence felt in their contributions to the island's entertainment, sports, literature and scientific institutions. Their contributions and heritage can still be felt today in Puerto Rico's art, music, cuisine, and religious beliefs in everyday life. In Puerto Rico, March 22 is known as "Abolition Day" and it is a holiday celebrated by everyone.[31]
[edit] Language
Some African slaves spoke "Bozal" Spanish, a mixture of Portuguese, Spanish, and the language spoken in the Congo. The African influence in the Spanish spoken in the island can be traced to the many words from African languages that have become a permanent part of Puerto Rican Spanish (and, in some cases, English).[32]
Music
Puerto Rican musical instruments such as la clave (also known as par de palos or "two sticks"), drums with stretched animal skin such as bongos or congas, and Puerto Rican music-dance forms such as la bomba or la plena are likewise rooted in Africa. The Bomba represents the strong African influence in Puerto Rico. Bomba is a music, rhythm and dance that was brought by West African slaves to the island of Puerto Rico.[33]
The Plena is another form of folkloric music of Puerto Rico of African origin. The Plena was brought to Ponce by blacks who immigrated north from the English-speaking islands south of Puerto Rico. The Plena is a rhythm that is clearly African and very similar to Calypso, Soca and Dance hall music from Trinidad and Jamaica.[34]
The Bomba and Plena were played during the festival of Santiago (St. James), since slaves were not allowed to worship their own gods, and soon developed into countless styles based on the kind of dance intended to be used at the same time; these include leró, yubá, cunyá, babú and belén. The slaves celebrated baptisms, weddings, and births with the "bailes de bomba". Slaveowners, for fear of a rebellion, allowed the dances on Sundays. The women dancers would mimic and poke fun at the slave owners. Masks were and still are worn to ward off evil spirits and pirates. One of the most popular masked characters is the "Vejigante" (vey-hee-GANT-eh). The Vejigante is a mischievous character that stars in the Carnivals of Puerto Rico. Traditionally he wears a papier mache mask and a colorful robe.[35]
Puerto Rican Carnival Mask
Puerto Rican Carnival Mask
Until 1953, the Bomba and Plena were virtually unknown outside of the island until Puerto Rican musicians Rafael Cortijo (1928 — 1982) and Ismael Rivera (1931 — 1987) and the El Conjunto Monterrey orchestra introduced the Bomba and Plena to the world. What Rafael Cortijo did with his orchestra was to modernize these Puerto Rican folkloric rhythms with piano, bass, saxophones, trumpets, and other percussion instruments such as timbales, bongos, and replacing the typical barriles (skin covered barrels) with congas.[36]
Rafael Cepeda (1910 — 1996), also known as "The Patriarch of the Bomba and the Plena", was the patriarch of the Cepeda Family. The family is one of the most famous exponents of Puerto Rican folk music, with generations of musicians working to preserve the African heritage in Puerto Rican music. The family is well known for their performances of the bomba and plena folkloric music and are considered by many to be the keepers of those traditional genres.[37]
Listen to a "Potpourri of Plenas" interpreted by Rene Ramos
Cuisine
Puerto Rican cuisine also has a strong African influence. The melange of flavors that make up the typical Puerto Rican cuisine counts with the African touch. Pasteles, small bundles of meat stuffed into a dough made of grated plantain (sometimes combined with pumpkin, potatoes, plantains, or yautía) and wrapped in plantain leaves, were devised by African women on the island and based upon food products that originated in Africa.
The salmorejo, a local land crab creation, resembles Southern cooking in the United States with its spicing. The mofongo, one of the island's best-known dishes, is a ball of fried mashed plantain stuffed with pork crackling, crab, lobster, shrimp, or a combination of all of them. Puerto Rico's cuisine embraces its African roots, weaving them into its Indian and Spanish influences.[38]
[edit] Religion
Santeria artifacts
The African slaves bought with them their traditional religious beliefs. Even though they were converted into Christianity, the European Spanish, upon their arrival to Puerto Rico they did not abandon their African religious practices altogether. Santeria is a religion created between the diverse images drawn from the Catholic Church and the representational deities of the African Yoruba ethnic group of Nigeria.[39]
In Santería there are many deities who respond to one "top" or "head" God. These deities, which are said to have descended from heaven to help and console their followers, are known as "Orishas." According to Santeria the Orishas are the ones who chooses the person whom it will watch over.[40]
Unlike other religions where the a worshiper is closely identified with his sect (such as Christianity) the worshiper is not always a "Santero". Santeros are the priests and the only official practitioners ("Santeros" are not to be confused with Puerto Rico's craftsmen who carve and create religious statues from wood and are also called Santeros). A person becomes a Santero if he passes certain tests and has been chosen by the Orishas.[39]"
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Now, just because you lived in Puerto Rico for a few does not mean anything. You don't know the island inside and out. If I remember correctly, you said all your friends drove BMW's and Mercedes.
Here are some notable people with African ancestory..
"Notable Puerto Ricans of African Ancestry
The following Puerto Ricans of African descent have notability in their respective fields, either in Puerto Rico, the United States, and/or internationally:
* Rick Aviles - comedian and actor
* Carmelo Anthony - basketball player
* Juan Morel Campos - composer
* Dr. Pedro Albizu Campos - lawyer, Nationalist leader
* Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa - medical doctor, sociologist, and politician
* Wilfred Benitez - boxer
* Carmen Belen Richardson - actress
* Jose Campeche - painter
* Rosie Perez - actress
* Dr. Jose Ferrer Canales - educator, writer and activist
* Bobby Capo - musician, composer
* Roberto Clemente - baseball player
* Orlando "Peruchin" Cepeda - baseball player
* Rafael Cepeda - folk musician and composer
* Jesús Colón - writer and politician
* Rafael Cordero - educator
* Jose "Cheo" Cruz - baseball player
* Tite Curet Alonso - composer
* Carlos Delgado - baseball player
* Sylvia Del Villard - activist and actress
* Cheo Feliciano - salsa singer
* Ruth Fernandez - singer and actress
* Pedro Flores - composer
* Juano Hernandez - actor
* Rafael Hernandez - musician and composer
* Emilio "Millito" Navarro - baseball player
* Victor Pellot - baseball player
* Ernesto Ramos Antonini - Speaker of the House
* Pedro Rosa Nales - News anchor/ Reporter
* Mayra Santos-Febres - writer, poet, essayist, screenwriter, and college professor
* Arturo Alfonso Schomburg - educator and historian
* Félix Trinidad - boxer
* Juan Evangelista Venegas - boxer
* Otilio "Bizcocho" Warrington - comedian and actor
* Bernie Williams - baseball player
"
You tell me if any of those people have been discriminated agaisnt in Puerto Rico, other than the people that are with the U.S! (Those that want Puerto Rico to be a state). When Tito Trinidad fought, even if he lost--everyone waited for him in the airport and drove with him home. Hundreds and maybe thousands and thousands of people. You call that racist?
"The Spanish decree of 1789 allowed the slaves to earn or buy their freedom. However, this did little to help them in their situation and eventually many slaves rebelled, most notably in the revolt against Spanish rule known as the "Grito de Lares. On March 22, 1873, slavery was abolished in Puerto Rico." Now, if you know what "El Grito de Lares" is, you will know who Pedro Albizu Campos is and you will know he is of Puerto Rican\African decent. Many still follow his views today. What you call "racism" in Puerto Rico is nothing compared to what it is in the United States. It does not amount to what the people in Dominican Republic have done to the Haitians, neither. All in all, color is a factor in all society, in different aspects of course.
You're blathering now. Firstly, Puerto Rico freed the
slaves, when??? 3/22/1873.
Well, the United States freed them on 9/22/1863. A
full ten years before Puerto Rico did.
And saying that Puerto Rico's racism is nowhere
near the United States is ridiculous.
It's funny, for being such a 'racist' nation, we sure do
take care of the very many minorities that can come
to this country, sign up for every program, contribute
NOTHING back, and get EVERY consideration.
Geez, I wonder, if I went to ANY OTHER NATION in
the WORLD would they do that for me? Name one.
THE UNTOLD TRUTH
By Rafael Martínez Alequín
The Democratic primary in Puerto Rico is seen as an historical event where average Puerto Ricans are able to cast their vote to select the party nominee for the office of President of the United States. But, they do not have the right to vote for U.S. President or members of Congress.
The Puerto Rican Democratic primary and the increase in the number of Latino voters for president of the United States has opened an opportunity to dispel the notion that Puerto Rico is a colorblind society.
Sadly, racism is as alive and well in the United States and in Puerto Rico today as it was in years gone by. Some even suggest that Puerto Rico is a mulatto society.
In a recent edition of the New York Times, Juan Manuel García Passalacqua a leading political analyst states: “On the U.S. mainland, Obama is black, but not in Puerto Rico. Here he is a mulatto and this is a mulatto society. People here are perfectly prepared to vote for someone who looks like them for president of the United States.”
I disagree with Mr. García Passalacqua's premise. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. As a child I witnessed first hand the discrimination against Black Puerto Ricans and mulattoes . They were the ones who tended the land and did the menial jobs that White Puerto Ricans would not.
When the Hilton Hotel was opened in San Juan, the speaker of the House of Representatives, the late Ernesto Ramos Antonini, was ejected from the ceremony — because he was Black! The specter of racism has always haunted Puerto Rican society. This extends to the politics of the moment.
A conversation with a friend who prefers to remain anonymous, was related to me. He received a telephone call from his mother in Puerto Rico. She told him “We will not vote for a n----r.”
Mr. José Nazario Solá, a board member of various Latino organizations in New York said: “From work and contacts with Puerto Rican social service providers in Puerto Rico, their comments clearly indicate that in Puerto Rico there exists racist attitudes that impact adversely on services to the population.”
Mr. Luis Vassallo, a manager with a company in lower Manhattan said:
“I was born and raised in El Barrio (Spanish Harlem). A Puerto Rican friend of my family told my aunt that she was always welcome in her home, but not her husband — he was Black.’”
I have visited Puerto Rico frequently. I have heard the racial epithets uttered by Puerto Ricans from all social backgrounds against darker Puerto Ricans. Their favorite innuendo is “yo no quiero ese negro aquí” (I don’t want the Blacks here)
Senator Clinton told Puerto Ricans at an event in the island, that if she becomes President she would fight for the island's right to vote directly for President of the United States. However, she “forgot” to tell them that it would require a constitutional amendment.
Meanwhile, back to the Puerto Rican primary next Sunday. According to the polls and the political pundits, Senator Clinton is the favorite to win there. However, the pundits have failed to mention that race is as big a factor in Puerto Rico as it is in the States.
I don't agree with some things danversgirl has said but never did she mention this woman's race and in fact she went out of her way to say "women these days" and question "why is it that other women can't do it and I can?" regarding raising kids as a single parent, not why can't Hispanic women, or why can't Puerto Ricans. She didn't bring race into the mix, you did. Other people here talked race also, but not her on this thread.
The fact is this woman did commit the crimes and comes from Lawrence, and is Hispanic, and there is no dad involved, so you are right, people assumed she was on assistance, etc. etc.
statistically it is probably the truth, but the real issue is the disregard for her own kids, and obviously the woman has some issues where she is on meds and drinking, this does not put anyone in a position to make good choices, so you may find a bit of compassion for her, but many others will not regardless of race.
Obviously! That's why I quoted it. It's funny because you did the same thing and someone said the same thing you just said to me. Hypocrite or what?
I am not speaking of the government. We know the government looks out for it's immigrants. In this country we have laws that protect us, like the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, etc. I am speaking of people like Rosie.
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
That is the definition of racism. How can someone in Puerto Rico be racist against their own race? Prejudice, maybe. Racist? No. Redmenace, I understand you but I'm not talking about the government helping immigrants. Puerto Rico was ruled by Spain during the time, Spaniards. It was not how it is today. Most of the Spaniards left to seek treasures elsewhere. What did woman did is absolutely wrong, no doubt about that. You can't blame the Latino race for it though. You see, when I drive around Lawrence at 9:00 AM I see white men and woman outside of the bars. Should I blame all Caucausian men and women for that?
bars have to do with this???
And just for the hell of it, these 'white people' of which you speak, were they endangering anyone's lives whilst
standing outside these bars? Were they a threat to
anyone when you cast your gaze upon them?
She was driving drunk, drugged with CHILDREN
in the car, endangering their lives, her own
children. A total disregard for them. That's a barbaric
act by a knuckle-dragging miscreant.
To point that out is not wrong. And as far as I'm
concerned, it can't be pointed out enough.
dime. Because there isn't a doubt in my mind that she's
on assistance. So why shouldn't I 'hate on this lady'. She's
taking my money and treating her children as throw-aways.
Damn right I'm gonna hate on this lady. And I use the
word 'lady' in the loosest possible fashion.
And please, for the love of God, learn how to spell and
punctuate.
Arrest: Ana Quezada, 33, 435 High St., refusing to produce a license or registration, exhibiting the license of another to conceal her identity, driving after revocation, 410 Essex St., 11:20 a.m.
I see that black guy running for President.
This poor girl has an issue that needs to be addressed by both the courts and her self.
The one thing that should be agreeable here is that she put the lives of those poor
Children, her self and us in danger with out concern.
By the way you racist moron I am Puerto Rican and look at the big words I used
and spelled them correctly. The icing on the cake is that I am at work “yes I
have a job,” don’t drink or pop pills and will be going home to my kids, which I
take care of with my sexy Latin wife.
Idiot!
I read Lawrence, Latino and so on all of which have nothing to do with it.
You must live in Methuen with you shifty Police Department and Town officials.
Ignorant Moron.
WHAT A BUNCH OF RACIEST FOOLS HERE TALKING SO MUCH CRAP. YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO THEN SIT HER ON A COMPUTER & GO BACK & FORTH & ARGUE???? SHOULDN'T YOU BE WORKING???? HAHAHA
Esp. danversgirl...you are ignorant
You're going to hate the news coming out today about YOUR PEOPLE. I guess just a couple more "isolated cases". Norrmally I would not give you a hard time, but I'm sick of your spewing off and using the "YOUR PEOPLE" crap. You are way up on the list of people that I care to listen too, while some of the racists you argue with are at the bottom. I don't expect you to care where you fall on my list of repected opinions, but really, what's the deal? Do you hate Caucasians as much as some of these people hate Hispanics? It's really OK if you do, that's your choice, but if not then your arguments are wearing thin. I can start making ridiculous generalizations too. How about; The majority of school massacres are done by white kids because all the latinos already dropped out. How about; All the drug dealers are Latino because YOUR PEOPLE were raised in countries were it was acceptable to grow and sell crops of weed, cocaine, etc. so it is just naturally engrained into the culture. Those comments are ridiculous, although I could argue there is some logic in there, just like you about your ridiculous blanket statements. It's all a load of crap, it just comes down to grasping at insults to try and deflect ones thrown your way. There's a lot of people, including me, going off on all sorts of tangents and spewing opinions, I don't think it is "evil" of the Trib to allow like some posters who are easily outraged, it is good old airing of opinions (and insults) that we can pick and choose to engage in or not. I'm down with some of what you're saying, but my opinion is you're devolving to match the level of some of the ideas you are oppossed to.
WHO CARES ABOUT THIS INFORMATION? OH...wait....SHE NEEDS AN EXCUSE FOR BREAKING THE LAW. NOT HER FAULT AMIGOS, THE WARNINGS WERE IN ENGLISH. NO HABLA ESPANOL.
Nieves told police she had just left a cookout. Her children — ages 3, 5 and 9 — were released to their grandmother
WHY NOT RELEASE THEM TO THE FATHER? WAIT...FATHERS? DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE? MAYBE THEY WERE ALL AT THE PARTY. BET THEY GOT THE BOOZE AT NH LIQUOR STORE AFTER TRADING IN THEIR MASS FOODSTAMPS FOR CASH. THEN THE DRUGS WERE FREE FROM MASS HEALTH.
MAYBE THIS IS ALL MY FAULT FOR PAYING TAXES AND SUPPORTING THE MOTHER, CHILDREN, GRANDMOTHER....
" Crack addicts do not make good rulers. My momma done told me that."
I know, just ask YOUR PEOPLE that come from Andover, Manchester, Salisbury, etc looking for $200 worth of crack in Lawrence. They come in with their nice little red corvette, get their fix and vanish until a few days later. They are just like you, Rosie.. prejudice. Every Latino they see walking down the street they think they are crack dealers, LOL.
And the comment about having no class and sleeping around has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of white women who will throw themselves at anyone also.
That's what my stupid nephew, Sam, was doing....driving his Expedition from N. Andover to buy crack from some Puerto Rican dope dealers.
"Arrest: Samuel Pino, 48, 180 Lancaster Road, North Andover, possession of cocaine, South Union and Market streets, 1:18 a.m."
You are correct, I am stooping down to their level when I make such comments. I actually love everyone alike. I don't care what color or where you are from, if you are cool with me then I am cool with you. I also stated in one of my comments that I had two white mentors growing up, one from Andover and one from Manchester and they both helped me tons. I am not racist and I do not hate Caucasians at all. I do hate racists though. I do hate people that think their race is superior to others and nothing is wrong within it. No country, no race is perfect--everyone has their flaws. This is our flaw. The thing is, most of the people that are acting wild are Latinos that grew up here. (Speaking on Puerto Ricans). Therefore, they are not straight out of Puerto Rico. Example: my brother lives in Tampa and he explained to me that many "Nuyoricans" that grew up in N.Y are moving to Orlando and now it is being infested by crime. They grew up in NY. Everything they learned was in NY and most of them speak broken Spanish. It's funny when someone says, "Another Latino on the paper". Hello! We are in Lawrence. Lawrence is pretty much a Latino community. Many Mexicans and Guatemalans are starting to move in to Lawrence. Let's see what they bring to the table. Hopefully it's something positive. I agree with you though. See, I can definitely admit my mistakes but some people here have egos three times bigger than them.
Perhaps this article from a newspaper owned by the Tribune's parent company may be illmunating to some of you. Unfortunately it seems the Tribune does not share the integrity of its sister paper:
"Reintroducing our online forums
TAHLEQUAH DAILY PRESS —
Online readers of the Tahlequah Daily Press may have noticed we’ve added several new features, which we’ve told you about. We’ve also revived a couple of old ones that had fallen by the wayside.
Before CNHI bundled all its Web sites under one system, newspapers in the company were using a variety of Internet service providers. The one the Press was using allowed readers to comment on individual stories. Under the new system, while readers can still discuss stories, the postings are lumped under a discussion forum. This is more difficult to manage than individual postings, which could be screened by employees of the “target” newspaper, as well as through a program from the Web site administrator. Although the Press initially participated in this forum, we suspended it last year because so many people were complaining about the behavior of one or two posters. Although we asked these folks to refrain from inappropriate comments, they wouldn’t, and eventually, most participants dropped out. Several told us they did so because of one individual.
Now, the system is a bit more refined, and we can track posters and eliminate inappropriate comments, though there may be “lag time” before we’re able to do it. We look forward to the day when we can block those who would damage the integrity of the forum with malicious gossip, name-calling and outright lies. At any rate, we’ve decided to try it again, in the hope that we can offer readers an open forum for intelligent, thoughtful conversation about local current events. Anyone who’s interested in getting involved can sign up on our Web site (www.tahlequahdailypress.com). We invite everyone who shares our goal of informing, discussing, entertaining and persuading – even if that means heated but fair argument – to jump on the bandwagon. The forum has been open for nearly three weeks now, and a few people have already ventured onto it.
For anyone tempted to start trouble, perhaps a quick civics lesson is in order. You are not entitled to “freedom of the press” simply because you can log onto a computer. The “freedom” belongs to those who “own” or at least work at the press in question, not to those who send in letters or participate in forums. There are still laws governing libel, character defamation and privacy invasion, and while we don’t expect readers to understand all the legal particulars, we do expect them to understand that if we can’t “prove” someone is guilty of a crime, immoral acts or other unsavory behavior, we shouldn’t print it. And although the general public has more latitude for online forums, we are nevertheless obliged to try, to every degree possible, to prevent readers from using our media to print those kinds of allegations, either.
For example, a poster shouldn’t write “Joe Blow committed an illegal act,” unless Joe Blow has been convicted of doing so. The contributor might instead say, “I disagree with what Joe Blow did” – but of course, in explaining what it was that Blow did, the poster should be able to back that up as well. Newspapers have “qualified privilege” to use a police log or court documents to report someone has been “arrested” on the “allegation” that he burglarized a home, or that he has been “charged” with the burglary, but we can’t say he “committed” the burglary until a court says he has. And further, if he is acquitted of said crime, we’re obliged to report that, too, and we shouldn’t bring up the fact that he was accused in future reference.
So, in our quest to maintain a legitimate “news” forum, we ask posters to remain civil, and to refrain from accusing anyone of wrongdoing they can’t prove, although they’re welcome to discuss criminal charges filed against individuals. Those who do not can expect their comments to be deleted. We remind these folks they can find a niche designed more for such discussion at www.tahlequahtattler.com. And if posters won’t cooperate, we may have to suspend the forum again...
More than ever, we want readers to become involved in the production of our newspaper. But we don’t want a few bad apples to spoil it for everyone else. Please respect the opinions of others; refrain from malicious attacks; stick to the issues at hand; and avoid gossip that can’t be proved. There’s a place for that, perhaps, but it’s not at a newspaper."
Love the comments.....
Mike, I hope that's what will happen here...all respectable, intelligent, decent participants -- people of integrity --- will drop out and go elsewhere...there are plenty of other public forums. If we stop reading and feeding the fire, it will eventually die out. Even the regulars here will get tired of the same old, same old. Goodbye forever, Eagle Tribune (formerly the Lawrence Eagle Tribune).
BANG! (sound of door slamming shut).
what a bunch of losers!!!!