Why do wingnut lies like this letter get printed? Read the bill, fool. No increased taxes for people making less than $250K per year, there are indeed specific details in the bill and the CBO scores, and there is no proposed government takeover of the health companies (that's what socialism is). This letter only contains lies, lies, and a few whines.
This letter exemplifies why the right has become irrelevant.
Carrot
· 2 months ago
I'm surprised he didn't mention the 'death panels' or putting Grandpa down when he reaches age 70.
itsallover
· 2 months ago
The Right has become irrelevant? What a genius. Wasn't a small message sent Tuesday that maybe the knuckleheads in Washington are spending this country into oblivion and as an FYI those making over 250k are about 2% of the population and they pay 43% of the income taxes. so again Genius who is going to pay for the handout medical insurance
seealotofthings2
· 2 months ago
Wingnut? Hmm The RedSox guy has used that term alot yet he hasn't been seen on here for a time now. Could it be a new ID? LOL
kbinpm
· 2 months ago
Jamie neither you or I know this because we have not seen the bill. Hold back your optimism until the bill is voted on. Then they will let us see it. I do not think it a reach when I say in a 1,990 page document that even the most Avid Obama supporters will find some unlikeable and large surprises. I have called congressman Tierney and Senator Kerry's office and asked about specific cost items ans have not recieved specific answers. The CBO scored medicare and medicaid and medicare drug programs and all are way over budget 2 to 300 times more. There are to many variables in a bill this size to be exact. A 10 percent error in predicted costs over ten years will run into the trillions. Please wait and read the details of the bill before you jump in with full agreement.
jmeister_1
· 2 months ago
We could only hope that the right has become irrelevant. I say that because they never say anything relevant. Listening to them is like listening to my kids, who never make any sense.
Whatever anyone says here you make some good points. I too believe that the republicans are incapable of working in congress. Hell, if they were as good as their acclaimed "social conservative" status, then they would have no problem working "with" the democrats on a solution.
Our congressional system is so broken its ridiculous. If this was a company, it would have failed years ago.
Oh yeah, as for Carmine, he/she must know so much more than us. Oh my god, what would happen if the healthcare bill is passed and he/she benefits from it? The world might end.
(Roll back the Bush tax cuts!)
Village_Jester
· 2 months ago
Carmine,
SURELY YOU JEST!!!
Did you actually expect anything different from a Congress and White House controlled by Democrats???
Village Jester (an Independent) is no fan of Republicans either, but his experience is the village tends to fare better when one party is not in total control ...
seethrufaded
· 2 months ago
That just about sums it up. In a few short paragraphs, you pretty much nailed it Carmine.
seealotofthings2
· 2 months ago
You think those morons in Washington are going to listen to us about this issue? The one's that disagree with you are the one's that either have the wealth to ride it out or the one's that want everything for free but it is always at the expense of those that can't afford to pay for it.
Thecityofsin
· 2 months ago
Now we do need health care reform I also do not want to get over billed from My Health Insurance either. I also do not want to get denide health Insurance becuase of precondition!!
So we need reform now I have to agree on one thing we do not need a 1900 page law. I would only Tax those making over $250 K a year!!
C40F
· 2 months ago
You can only tax "the rich" so far before they stop doing the things that make them rich (why bother?). For example, if you're going to tax the bejeebers out of doctors, why would anyone in his/her right mind go to school for years and incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical school debt only to give almost all of his/her earnings to the government?
Also, I've read a number of articles over the last year or so that point out that, even if we taxed the rich at 100%, there would not be enough $$$ to pay for all the bailouts and social programs Obama envisions.
Bottom line ... the middle class will pay, probably in the form of a Value Added Tax. That will raise the price of everything. Eventual and inevitable result: inflation and possibly hyper-inflation.
Buy gold ...
ANTIHAVERHILL
· 2 months ago
Rich are greedy and therfore will continue doing what it is they do to make them rich .. that was about the most asinine statement I have heard yet "You can only tax "the rich" so far before they stop doing the things that make them rich"...
Also Obama didnt Envision BAIL OUTS .. that was the Brain Child of Henry Paulson and the Bush Administration .. the Same Henry Paulson that Ran GOLDMAN SACHS Brokerage ....Kinda ... also if you have paid attention in the meager brain of yours it was the Bush administration that wrote a 700 Billion dollar check that Bailed out AIG, Citigroup, Bank Of America etc etc and for the record Paulson is gone and Geithner is in charge, the program itself remains in the hands of Neel Kashkari, a holdover from the Bush administration.
So try to read fact before spouting of your own slant and take of the whole bailout crisis
And you have an Extra $1100 to buy 1.oz of Gold because most Americans are Unemployed thanks to the Fiscal Crisis of 2007
C40F
· 2 months ago
1) Perhaps my post was ambiguous. "Obama envisions" refers to "social programs." My "meager brain" is well aware that the bailouts go back to the Bush administration, (which I don't have a high opinion of either).
2) The idea that the rich can be taxed only so far before giving up is not mine (my brain's too meager to think of that). From Peggy Noonan's Oct 31 column in the Wall Street Journal, "We're Governed by Callous Children”:
"This week the New York Post carried a report that 1.5 million people had left high-tax New York state between 2000 and 2008, more than a million of them from even higher-tax New York City. They took their tax dollars with them—in 2006 alone more than $4 billion.
You know what New York, both state and city, will do to make up for the lost money. They'll raise taxes.
I talked with an executive this week with what we still call "the insurance companies" and will no doubt soon be calling Big Insura. (Take it away, Democratic National Committee.) He was thoughtful, reflective about the big picture. He talked about all the new proposed regulations on the industry. Rep. Barney Frank had just said on some cable show that the Democrats of the White House and Congress "are trying on every front to increase the role of government in the regulatory area." The executive said of Washington: "They don't understand that people can just stop, get out. I have friends and colleagues who've said to me 'I'm done.' " He spoke of his own increasing tax burden and said, "They don't understand that if they start to tax me so that I'm paying 60%, 55%, I'll stop."
He felt government doesn't understand that business in America is run by people, by human beings. Mr. Frank must believe America is populated by high-achieving robots who will obey whatever command he and his friends issue. But of course they're human, and they can become disheartened. They can pack it in, go elsewhere, quit what used to be called the rat race and might as well be called that again since the government seems to think they're all rats. (That would be you, Chamber of Commerce.)"
3) I reiterate: Value-Added Tax leading to inflation leading to hyper-inflation.
Buy gold...
If you can't afford gold, buy silver ...
BTW: Per cnn.com today, the unemployment rate is reported to be 10.2%. While many Americans are unemployed, "most" Americans are not. So try to read fact before spouting off your own slant and take of the whole financial/unemployment crisis.
Have a nice day, Anti. :-)
Honesty_4Ever
· 2 months ago
Check out this link to get an eye opener about the history of our taxes.. check out what the "rich" use to pay and then scroll down and you'll notice that we "working class" don't pay much less than the wealthy... they are doing just fine and as along as they can keep middle America bickering then they can keep crying about taxes... look at the billions they've hidden off shore. If they don't want to pay their fair share to live in America then they should close out their accounts and find a better country to live in...there is not a better country than ours.. so just pay and enjoy it. Check this chart out http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19 It's from the National Taxpayers Union. I'm curious how the rich were able to prosper while paying the amount of taxes they use to pay. In Germany the wealthy are petitioning the government to increase the taxes on the rich for 2 years to get the country back on it's feet... imagine such patriotism...just not in the USA.
C40F
· 2 months ago
Honesty,
I'm not saying that "the rich" shouldn't pay more as a percentage of their wealth than those of us who are not rich.
What I am saying is that trying to get out of a $12 trillion plus hole by taxing the rich will not solve the problem because, based on what I've read in various places over the last year or so
1) The rich couldn't come up with 12 trillion plus even if we taxed them 100%, and
2) At some point the rich (which include a lot of small business people who are rich not because they're greedy, as Antihaverhill would have us believe above, but are rich because they work their tails off creating business that provide jobs to those of us who are not rich) will simply say "why work my tail off if I have to fork most of it over to Uncle Sam?"
In other words, while saying "tax the rich" might make us feel good (and it does make me feel good), it belies the fact that someone other than the rich are going to have to eventually pay that $12 trillion plus ... probably (as in Europe) in the form of a Value-Added Tax that will just drive up the prices of things and hurt the non-rich.
The solution isn't "tax the rich," it's "curb the spending."
kbinpm
· 2 months ago
The most recent I heard is that an individual making 44,000 per year will pay a 7000 dollar premium. A family of four making 110,000 will pay 20,000 for there premiums. Roughly 17% of income. On page 680 or 82 I forget the bill calls for roughly 56 million dollars for multicultural centers to be built on the U.S. mexican borders to handle the in flux of illegals. What this has to do with the health care of U.S. citizens is a mystery as all the details of the bill have not come out. Whether the version of the house bill I saw gets out of the house we shall soon see.
itsallover
· 2 months ago
Agree with reform absolutely. 1900 page law that now Nazi Pelosi isn't going to put online for us to view is beyond absurd. what is it with taxing people over 250K. the average person making that pays about 97,500 in taxes. The percentage of people making that much is around 2%, AND these people pay about 43% of all income taxes. Economically if you hit them harder in the wallett and they will spend less. Taxes are not the answer
ANTIHAVERHILL
· 2 months ago
Does this Idiot realize he lives in the Massachusetts "Mandated Health Care" state ... where a Pre-Req for living here is proving you are covered under health insurance or you are penalized .... so I hate to tell him but he has was taxed before any of this Health Care bill was being debated ...... so even if it does pass aint much gonna change in this state ...
ANTIHAVERHILL
· 2 months ago
Massachusetts has had universal health care since 2006, thanks to former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney, the late U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy and the Democratic Legislature. At one level, it looks like a smashing success — according to state officials, nearly 98 percent of the state's residents have coverage of some kind.
But, it is costing more than anyone predicted it would. Since 2006, total health care spending in the state has jumped 28 percent. Insurance premiums have been increasing 8-10 percent a year, nearly double the national average.
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This letter exemplifies why the right has become irrelevant.
Whatever anyone says here you make some good points. I too believe that the republicans are incapable of working in congress. Hell, if they were as good as their acclaimed "social conservative" status, then they would have no problem working "with" the democrats on a solution.
Our congressional system is so broken its ridiculous. If this was a company, it would have failed years ago.
Oh yeah, as for Carmine, he/she must know so much more than us. Oh my god, what would happen if the healthcare bill is passed and he/she benefits from it? The world might end.
(Roll back the Bush tax cuts!)
SURELY YOU JEST!!!
Did you actually expect anything different from a Congress and White House controlled by Democrats???
Village Jester (an Independent) is no fan of Republicans either, but his experience is the village tends to fare better when one party is not in total control ...
I also do not want to get denide health Insurance becuase of precondition!!
So we need reform now I have to agree on one thing we do not need a 1900 page law. I would only Tax those making over $250 K a year!!
Also, I've read a number of articles over the last year or so that point out that, even if we taxed the rich at 100%, there would not be enough $$$ to pay for all the bailouts and social programs Obama envisions.
Bottom line ... the middle class will pay, probably in the form of a Value Added Tax. That will raise the price of everything. Eventual and inevitable result: inflation and possibly hyper-inflation.
Buy gold ...
Also Obama didnt Envision BAIL OUTS .. that was the Brain Child of Henry Paulson and the Bush Administration .. the Same Henry Paulson that Ran GOLDMAN SACHS Brokerage ....Kinda ... also if you have paid attention in the meager brain of yours it was the Bush administration that wrote a 700 Billion dollar check that Bailed out AIG, Citigroup, Bank Of America etc etc and for the record Paulson is gone and Geithner is in charge, the program itself remains in the hands of Neel Kashkari, a holdover from the Bush administration.
So try to read fact before spouting of your own slant and take of the whole bailout crisis
And you have an Extra $1100 to buy 1.oz of Gold because most Americans are Unemployed thanks to the Fiscal Crisis of 2007
2) The idea that the rich can be taxed only so far before giving up is not mine (my brain's too meager to think of that). From Peggy Noonan's Oct 31 column in the Wall Street Journal, "We're Governed by Callous Children”:
"This week the New York Post carried a report that 1.5 million people had left high-tax New York state between 2000 and 2008, more than a million of them from even higher-tax New York City. They took their tax dollars with them—in 2006 alone more than $4 billion.
You know what New York, both state and city, will do to make up for the lost money. They'll raise taxes.
I talked with an executive this week with what we still call "the insurance companies" and will no doubt soon be calling Big Insura. (Take it away, Democratic National Committee.) He was thoughtful, reflective about the big picture. He talked about all the new proposed regulations on the industry. Rep. Barney Frank had just said on some cable show that the Democrats of the White House and Congress "are trying on every front to increase the role of government in the regulatory area." The executive said of Washington: "They don't understand that people can just stop, get out. I have friends and colleagues who've said to me 'I'm done.' " He spoke of his own increasing tax burden and said, "They don't understand that if they start to tax me so that I'm paying 60%, 55%, I'll stop."
He felt government doesn't understand that business in America is run by people, by human beings. Mr. Frank must believe America is populated by high-achieving robots who will obey whatever command he and his friends issue. But of course they're human, and they can become disheartened. They can pack it in, go elsewhere, quit what used to be called the rat race and might as well be called that again since the government seems to think they're all rats. (That would be you, Chamber of Commerce.)"
3) I reiterate: Value-Added Tax leading to inflation leading to hyper-inflation.
Buy gold...
If you can't afford gold, buy silver ...
BTW: Per cnn.com today, the unemployment rate is reported to be 10.2%. While many Americans are unemployed, "most" Americans are not. So try to read fact before spouting off your own slant and take of the whole financial/unemployment crisis.
Have a nice day, Anti. :-)
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19 It's from the National Taxpayers Union. I'm curious how the rich were able to prosper while paying the amount of taxes they use to pay. In Germany the wealthy are petitioning the government to increase the taxes on the rich for 2 years to get the country back on it's feet... imagine such patriotism...just not in the USA.
I'm not saying that "the rich" shouldn't pay more as a percentage of their wealth than those of us who are not rich.
What I am saying is that trying to get out of a $12 trillion plus hole by taxing the rich will not solve the problem because, based on what I've read in various places over the last year or so
1) The rich couldn't come up with 12 trillion plus even if we taxed them 100%, and
2) At some point the rich (which include a lot of small business people who are rich not because they're greedy, as Antihaverhill would have us believe above, but are rich because they work their tails off creating business that provide jobs to those of us who are not rich) will simply say "why work my tail off if I have to fork most of it over to Uncle Sam?"
In other words, while saying "tax the rich" might make us feel good (and it does make me feel good), it belies the fact that someone other than the rich are going to have to eventually pay that $12 trillion plus ... probably (as in Europe) in the form of a Value-Added Tax that will just drive up the prices of things and hurt the non-rich.
The solution isn't "tax the rich," it's "curb the spending."
But, it is costing more than anyone predicted it would. Since 2006, total health care spending in the state has jumped 28 percent. Insurance premiums have been increasing 8-10 percent a year, nearly double the national average.