DISQUS

fierisq · 2 months ago

Mr. Gilmore it is unfortunate to see that you have fallen prey like so many others to the strategic media manipulation that has taken place regarding climate change.

The "science" behind those who deny climate change is the same as the "science" that was behind the tobacco industry’s attempts to show that smoking had no negative effects on human health. Tobacco companies paid scientists and consultants to argue that there was no sound scientific evidence that secondhand smoke was dangerous even though they knew of the negative health effects. Fossil fuel industries are using the same uncertainty tactic to challenge the science of global warning as the tobacco industries used to confuse the cancer/smoking link debate.

There is absolutely a scientific consensus that climate change is occurring http://bit.ly/cdzos. No one in the climate science community is debating whether changes in CO2 alter the greenhouse effect, or if ocean levels have risen the last 100 years, or if the warming trend is outside the range of natural variability. GISS, NOAA, NAS, SOCC, RS, AGU, AIP, NCAR, AMS, CMOS are all respected institutions specializing in climate, atmospheric, oceanic and earth sciences and have published the same conclusions. 1) our climate is warming 2) the major cause of this warming is the rising levels of CO2 3) the rise in CO2 is due to the burning of fossil fuels 4) if CO2 continues to rise, so will the warming and 5) the climate changes projected will endanger the environmental and threaten human life.

Also, just as an FYI, a single year of cold or warm weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet. Climate skeptics such as yourself may argue that certain pockets of the country have experienced some colder winters here and there, but a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon. Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions.

Mr. Gilmore you have no degree in climate science and are not currently conducting climate research. Do you really think that people are going to believe some LtE contributor who has no background or degree in science, over the thousands of scientists from across the globe who have contributed studies and findings to the IPCC based on the most up to date scientific, technical and socio-economic information from around the world?

I take offense when people intentionally misinform others and attempt to discredit the very well established and agreed upon effects of human activity on global climate. I urge Congress to look beyond the cherry-picked reports and numbers that are cited by skeptics such as Mr. Gilmore to support a desired point. The truth is, the most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and that people are causing it by burning fossil fuels and cutting down our forests.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

You neglected to mention cow flattulence....I hear that's a big contributor, too....
Can we tax them? Maybe Willie and John Cougar can do another Farm Aid to help offset the "cap & trade" tax dairy farmers will be burdened with....
Personally, I think the soy industry published that propaganda....
(please note, my comment was strictly tongue in cheek)

CO2 emissions are bad....no question about it, but I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here if we think man-made CO2 is a significant cause of rising levels. The oceans are our best air filters.
And, while the skeptics might make some absurd comment crediting a cold snap in New England as evidence global warming doesn't exist, I truly believe the extremists, who are profiting handsomely off "climate change", are grossly underestimating the size and scope of our atmosphere, and earth, when they think 20,000 smokestacks can affect our global climate. Just my opinion after looking at calculations of metric tonage of atmosphere, flora, oceans and comparing it to the metric tonage of CO2 emitted.

PastBlast · 2 months ago

If there was another farm aid wouldn't it be to offset the "crap & trade"?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

Alright! Good post!

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Why is there scientist stating that is climate change is by natural causes and no one disputing it? The last couple of paragraphs on this link is exactly why there is controversy. The worst one is saying that we have to do something even if it is not happening. Interesting site. While it supports claims about climate change then at the end it says they are not sure. While everyone keeps claiming it IS happening the report does not support it. I still say find better research is needed before we panic and cause financial ruin.

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

Global warming has been offically declared dead. As is goverment run health care,Socialism,Obamaism,and people thinking libs have any sort of thought process.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

By whom - do you have a link - do you have anything concrete - or is it your profound knowledge you are sharing - like this one from you:
Agreed...it is getting colder. Global cooling is underway!

or maybe this gem:
Liberals are not true Americans.....not a lie at all. People like Obama...now that's a lie

Or this fact-fill post:
Now only Americans hate Obama.

Little one-liners that are often over the top and offer no content - nothing to debate - just little slams at people....I am happy to have a debate and listen to both sides - but really....that comment was really meant to be taken seriously???

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Please tell Alex Malvers the same thing.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

I actually did call him out earlier. I think sometimes the arguing gets too personal or arguing just to argue

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

appreciate it.
Did you get to see my response to your comment above? I'm curious about you thoughts.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

It's going to be in the 60's next week. Yep you're right -- there is such thing as global warming - at least for next week LOL

BufordPusser · 2 months ago

Mr. Gilmore, you're wanted in Nashville for a face-to-face meeting with the Gore-a-cle in his 10,000 sq ft Belle Meade mansion ($2000/mo electric bill).

Al Jr. (not Al Sr. who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964) would like a few words with you.

buldog · 2 months ago

Remember 4 years ago when "Global Warming" caused Katrina and hurricane seasons were only going to get worse if we don't do something NOW!!!

"The debate was over" then too!

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

Yeah you're right - Didn't we have the 60 or more hurricanes this year already? Then went by so fast most people didn't even notice them LOL

A.Lincoln · 2 months ago

Once again the Flat Earthers get their nonsense ("hey! I hear Friday is gonna be cold! That means there's no such thing human influenced climate change!") printed in the Trib.
"Rick" - next time your Rush Limbaugh newsletter tells you to write your local paper about the "liberal's plot to take over the world" just say No!

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

Rush and Glenn Beck,are so good at exposing gov't corruption,that don't get exposed by the national media. Van Jones,Anita Dunn,Val jarrett,all self described commies and Marxists. People got pissed off comparing Obama to Hitler,but Mao was much worse than Hitler,and these people admire Mao.As for the GW debate.it's over.You lost. it's time for you to jump on the global cooling wagon.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Citing Rush and Glenn Beck? There you go...

ANTIHAVERHILL · 2 months ago

When was the last time we had a Blizzard Of 78 like Snowstorm????

Just because it is snowing in your back yard doesn't mean thats how the rest of the world is ... typical closed minded attitudes though and you wouldn't expect less ... Climate Change is like God Some believe it some don't and the rest of us don't care.

So for those of you who say Global Warming is a joke

I say God and Religion are a joke

and Ill apply your theories to that .. Just because Someone wrote about it doesn't mean its true their are plenty of Scientist out there that say God isn't real and look what happens to them ...

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

We had 2 storms like that in 07-08,and a 30+" back in 04-05 in the north shore area.That's 3 in the last 5-6 yrs off the top of my head.

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

Damn...you have some issues. Sorry about your life.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Already below there are two links that dispute the data used in this sound off. In the end, I will say this: there are ligitimate scientists who disagree - but they are in the minority. Is that to say they aren't right - could be - but, if they are wrong - by the time they are proved wrong - irreversalbe damage could be done to our environment.
Global warming is not just about local temperatures - and those people who keep refering to snow in oct and thermostats are ignoring the CLIMATE CHANGE - not the temperature change. More severe storms, changes in seasonal expectations globally - not just locally. My point is this - there is evidence on this planet that changes are occuring - and evidence to suggest it is man-made. There is more evidence for - than against - so I am not ignoring the other side. Proceeding with caution and planning to do something about it only makes sense.
Why do people get flu shots - when not everyone gets the flu. Precautions for the worst case. why wouldn't we do that with the thing that provides life to us!?

ipso_facto · 2 months ago

Shooting yourself in the head will also prevent getting the flu.

ANTIHAVERHILL · 2 months ago

Sounds like Republican Healthcare

Carrot · 2 months ago

"The AP sent expert statisticians NOAA's year-to-year ground temperature changes over 130 years and the 30 years of satellite-measured temperatures preferred by skeptics and gathered by scientists at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

Statisticians who analyzed the data found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set. The ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880.

Saying there's a downward trend since 1998 is not scientifically legitimate, said David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor and one of those analyzing the numbers.

Identifying a downward trend is a case of "people coming at the data with preconceived notions," said Peterson, author of the book "Why Did They Do That? An Introduction to Forensic Decision Analysis."

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

It's over. There will be no cap and tax policy,and it's a foregone conclusion,except to the radical left,that GW is a dead issue. In a few years,you guys will be trying to put a stop to global cooling with more taxes and programs.

Carrot · 2 months ago

So what were those science classes you failed again? Was it chemistry or environmental studies? I'm asking because it doesn't take a lot of education to understand that dumping greenhouse gases into the air is bound to cause something to happen (see: planet Venus), that looking back over the past ten years is the equivalent of saying that a life-long alcoholic isn't a drunk because he's been sober for two weeks, that there's a big difference between climate and weather, or that a cold day in June doesn't mean that global warming isn't happening? Which one are you failing to understand?

You also don't seem to understand that science and math *aren't political*. Just because Glenn Beck insists that 2+2=5 doesn't mean it's true...but it might mean that somebody or some group has decided to prey on your general ignorance regarding science and math.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

Oh Oh It's Gore's other relative doing the "You're wrong thing again and I know better" It's probably the RedSox guy using another id because the carrot head sounds just like him LOL Wow I guess you didn't notice that Venus is alot closer to the sun than we are which to my understanding would make it much hotter than earth just like Mars is further away from the sun and I suppose that is why it is colder. LOL and you bring Beck into this hahaha and who is making this political? Sounds like you are to me. I only bring in Gore because he stands to make millions out of all of this BS while at the same time screwing all the people that can't afford to pay their energy bills as they are now but with his proposals the cost of energy will skyrocket.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Venus is hotter because it's atmosphere is very think and dominated by greenhouse gases that trap more heat, Mars is colder because it has a very thin atmosphere and no greenhouse gases. Proximity to the Sun means little unless you're extremely close, like Mercury of very far away, like the gas giants.

Without Greenhouse gases, the Earth would be a frozen mass, unable to support sophisticated life forms.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

Hmm So that means Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, and Jupiter are colder because it isn't so far away from the sun? LOL What a dope you prove to be. Haha To quote you " Venus is hotter because it's atmosphere is very think" THINK? Maybe all you Al Gore wannabes are thinking out of Uranus. LOL It's looking that way more and more.

Carrot · 2 months ago

I'm not sure what's more appalling; the general ignorance or the punctuation.

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

Carrot;
and/or the indiscriminate mouse droppings?

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

Agreed...it is getting colder. Global cooling is underway!

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

I'm getting so tired of this one. Any other global "warmists" want to chime in on this one?

The claims made in this letter about NASA are totally unfounded or based on a micro-trend, I don't know. Here is the current NASA website on climate change:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Either NASA hasn't updated its site, or Mr. Gilmore has just made stuff up.

Global-warming deniers are the politically motivated group. Their propaganda is always pushed by conservative think-tanks.

C2C? You want to mention that EPA/economist quack again? You know, the one who pulled a Ben Stein "Expelled."

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

You must be related to Al Gore too LOL

Carrot · 2 months ago

And why would that be an insult, or even a reasonable response?

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

After only a few articles here - the person you are replying to seems to have no interest in debating points - only in disparaging people and throwing names at them - it is sad

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

MassMiddleMan = RedSox61 LOL or they are closely related Hahahaha

Tennis · 2 months ago

Exactly WHAT does that mean. If you can't argue based on facts please go bother some other people?

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Umm...Al Gore?

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

CEO's of health insurers, who hold our lives in their balance sheets, are criticized for exploiting the public for their greedy gain.

And, then there's this....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195...

Jammer Man · 2 months ago

No more global warming? Darn, what are the unemployed liberal "eco-facists" going to do with all their free time now? Maybe Wendy's is hiring, or the local car wash.

And poor Al Gore: no more gravy train for him. Maybe he can take up the cause of rain forests and/or the sad plight of animals used for medical testing. I'm sure he's got a couple of shlock books left in him to write.

Tennis · 2 months ago

"eco-fascist"? You've got issues.

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

You're right: I do. I always have issues with a small group of people with specious evidence that are demanding expensive, large-scale world-wide changes, when their evidence is directly contradicted by both the United Nations and NASA.

MassMiddleMan · 1 month ago

Trust me - Jammer has yet to post any facts in almost any of his posts - he just looks to attack the person - and/or grammar and spelling...you were right - he has issues and not the kind he identifies in his post below this one

casreader · 2 months ago

In the November 12 issue of Rolling Stone there’s an article, “Warming Gets Worse,” by Jeff Goodell. Interesting reading to say the least.


From the article:

"The world’s leading scientists have come to an alarming conclusion: Global warming is happening even faster than they thought. The Arctic, it turns out, is melting so quickly that even top ice experts are stunned.


The melting Arctic is a ticking time bomb for the Earth’s climate – and thanks to our failure to reduce greenhouse-gas pollution, the fuse has already been lit.

The Arctic is more than just a frozen block of ice – it’s more like a frozen block of carbon... All told, there are some 1 trillion metric tons of carbon buried in the Arctic – the equivalent of the oil, gas and coal reserves on the entire planet. From a planetary perspective, melting the Arctic is like firing up the world’s largest furnace – one that will belch catastrophic levels of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

But that’s not the worst of it. A similarly huge amount of methane is frozen in the floor of the shallow seas surrounding the Arctic. As the water warms, these blocks of methane ice can bubble to the surface and release millions of tons of methane – more or less cooking the planet overnight."

Must be desperation since the ice is infact melting rapidly.

Get your marshmallows ready.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

That's it....I'm building a bunker in my back yard....I can't keep living in fear like this....Oh the humanity!!!

Jammer Man · 2 months ago

<*yawn*>

Oh, look: it's time for Oprah.

aymsley · 2 months ago

I wonder if the "coolers" still have a hard time believing that the world is round. I am thinking it must be flat. When I look out onto the ocean or on a hillside, I think I see the edge...I wonder how many people fall off every year. Especially those damned smart people. They always screw things up for the rest of us with their facts and theories. We should just ban thinking altogether. We would be so much better off just believing what the really great minds like Palin, and Liz Cheney tell us to believe. And its so easy. Like being spoon fed and never having to worry...you know about things like truth and facts and all that really hard stuff...

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

Actually,Chicken Little,the sky isn't falling.The U.N IPCC,grudgingly said the world is cooling.Somehow they got tricked into telling the truth.It's funny how after the Dems losses this election they are still trying to push through cap and tax policy.They are as bad or worse than the GOP in not learning their lesson.

scottdad · 2 months ago

i hear very little complaining from the lefties about chicken little's(AG) greed. this guy earns more than most evil corprate CEOs.

Tennis · 1 month ago

No. he doesn't and the profits from his work go into a non-profit.

Conservative2TheCore · 1 month ago

You're kidding, right? Just because something is "non-profit" doesn't mean he doesn't receive compensation.
His net worth has increased ten-fold since he lost the election.

Tennis · 2 months ago

They did?

scottdad · 2 months ago

i wonder how much less carbon dioxide would be produced if all the green wackos stopped whinning... or breathing.

Jammer Man · 2 months ago

I see ... so only your opinion and those whom you agree with are valid, and people who disagree with you are morons, right?

Got a news flash for you: you're the moron.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Got a new flash for YOU, those of us who are labeled "warmists" have mountains of hard, peer-reviewed scientific research behind us, YOU and your cohorts have denial, fear and a shocking lack of scientific literacy.

Tennis · 2 months ago

sorry...I meant to say "NEWS" not new

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

you should have just left it at literacy - scientific or otherwise......the smart-alec remarks without any facts to back up their 'beliefs' is amazing....most of these are people who probably believe that the world is flat and there is no such thing as evolution

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

You better not be flashing people Tennis Ball because cause it's illegal in this state LOL

aymsley · 2 months ago

to answer your question, no. Although I appreciate the fact that equality is extended to gay and lesbian couples that want to marry, I am straight. However, you do bring an interesting issue into the discussion here, and the folks that are spouting about the constitution and bill of rights being trampled on (although I have yet to hear exactly how). How is it that the constitution that requires that all people be treated equally under the law, is not trampled on by not allowing gays and lesbians to marry? and then how do those defenders of the constitution (that they have probably read as often as their bible) justify this hypocracy?

aymsley · 1 month ago

obviously you are an unintelligent person with only snide comments here...Perhaps you and Jammer could go for a drive in his Suburban...Perhaps dream up some more non existent studies to quote...

Jammer Man · 2 months ago

I have "cohorts" ?

Those "peers" that "reviewed" the so-called scientific research got their proverbial boats blown out of the water a few days ago by the United Nations and NASA.

Now, you're all just a bunch of pathetic chicken littles that everyone is snickering at.

Gonna drive a Suburban forever - yeah!

Tennis · 2 months ago

they did? Do tell...where is this revelation found? link to the study, please.

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

I guess you didn't read the article. Do I really have to link to the news article that you posted a comment to? You're pathetic.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Is this the aymsley I think it is???

aymsley · 2 months ago

which aymsley do you think I am?

Tennis · 2 months ago

Used to live in LAwrence now down south?

aymsley · 2 months ago

nope, just moved here from the midwest a few months ago. Do appreciate your comments...nice to know there are others with a clue instead of the indoctrinated conservative bobbleheads, whose whole philosophy is based on what they have to pay in taxes. We all hate taxes, I just hate when they arre wasted, or given out to their buddies...see no bid contacts during Repugnicant administrations...

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

Did you move here because gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts? I was just wondering.

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

Woot! Good one, seealot.

MassMiddleMan · 1 month ago

Ignore Jammer and seealot - they have nothing better to do than to find people who think differently than they do and degrade them....it is a shame that the eagle tribune monitor doesn't do something about it...their abuse policy is clear - the implementation though is as if it is a simple free for all where degrading posters is perfectly fine

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

Hey, MassHoleMan:

Are all liberals as two-faced as you are? You know: no one can stop you from posting your opinions, but those that disagree with them need to be censored?

You're pathetic.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

The next thing these climate change goons are going to say is that the magnetic poles are going to flip around because there are too many of us on one side of the planet and no doubt they will come up with some sort of baloney to justify what they say. OK EVERYONE MOVE WEST ERRR NO MOVE EAST OH NO WE ALL BETTER MOVE SOUTH NO WAIT A MINUTE WE HAVE TO MOVE NORTH OH NO THIS SCIENTIST SAYS GO THIS WAY --------> NAH THAT CAN BE RIGHT THE OTHER SCIENTIST SAYS TO GO <-------------- THAT WAY. LOL Just wait until that happens hahahaha You think the world is wobbly now?

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

That would really screw up that compass on my rear view mirror...

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

They are going to flip, but that's another conversation.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Yesterday I saw a Republican senator state that the EPA has documentation saying what changes we are doing will have little affect on climate change. Not one Democrat denied it. Personally I say prove it one way or the other but stop the stupid political debate about it. We need indisputable answers because there is far to much at risk.

jmeister_1 · 2 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is that science provides a means to an end for the politicians. I've got to play the Bush card here and say that his administration really screwed this stuff up. Thanks to his efforts there is lots of misinformation out there now.

I don't buy into this cooling thing. There are too many ice caps melting away and too many glaciers disappearing. Seems to me that they would not be going that way with cooling. When was the last time that the Merrimac froze over so that ice blocks could be cut out of it like back in the mill days?


BTW: I'm not related to Al Gore, I don't work for Obama, I'm not a scientist, and I have no issues. Thought I needed to get that out of the way to deal with the BS one liners that people seem to like posting here.



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0219-02...

http://www.livescience.com/technology/080130-bu...

http://www.webexhibits.org/bush/

MSLPatrick · 2 months ago

The name change from Global warming to climate change comes from the advance scientific techniques that they discover everyday. We are learning that it may be warming on the poles but cooling at the equator.

We don't know how or why yet, but thats what the scientists are working on. They know the earth's temprature moves in cycles. Thats why we have an ice age and then a periods of extreme heat.

I find it fascinating that we had an ice age but the equatorial area was +20 degrees over what is considered normal.

I never bought into the hysteria of people cause global warming, I am educated and have looked, albeit not extensively, at past data and periods of the earth and come to recognize that the earth is just like us we physically change from time to time.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

That is the whole point of what I said. No side can say here is the facts without disagreement. Considering the Ice Age to now it is hard to say the earth is not warming. The real question is did our industrialization have a major affect. So far there is no definite answer but politicians play their game. If the scientific world can't agree with each other then why did we spend all the money?

Tennis · 2 months ago

But the scientists DO agree, that's the point.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Scientist do not agree. Man made or natural cause. They can't agree on the different types of gases claiming to create the problem.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Where do get this from?

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Read the site given by another poster. bit.ly/cdzos An interesting site that you would use to support your claim. However at the end the last few paragraphs tell the truth. They just don't know.

Tennis · 1 month ago

It's interesting that you cite Oreskes, the whole point of that study is that there IS a consensus. Did you actually read the whole thing? You cant cherry pick sentences out of research. You aren't just ignorant, you're delusional.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

The problem is that too many are relying on local weather and phenomena - in addition, if you will look - very few who don't believe in global warming post nothing of evidence. Many are relying on celebrity personalities to get their information. I admit - I questioned it myself until I started doing my own self-education - looking at both sides and the evidence for, and the growing population of scientists who support it - is too great to ignore. As you said, by the time some of these people are convinced, it will be too late. I am not old enough, but I wonder if this is the same debate that went on when the evolution vs. creation arguments happened.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Umm, you're not seriously using "ice blocks" on the Merrimack to justify global warming, are you? The Merrimack has numerous dams that regulate the flow and volume of water that travels down it.....which actually prevents the formation of ice. That's the point...otherwise Hooksett, NH would be a lake if ice formed in Lawrence or Manchester.

jmeister_1 · 2 months ago

You got your cow poop and I have my ice blocks.

I guess that my observation of the situation was flawed as is likely many of the reports that everyone is referring to.

Some say cooling and other say warming but is everyone looking at the situation the same way with the same knowledge?

There are observations to be made on the large scale like the ice caps and glaciers. Those cannot be mistaken by both sides.

I do like those old pictures of the men cutting out the blocks of ice from the Merrimac. That must have been quite the seen back then.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

I'd be careful witht he ice cap melting argument....remember, the White Mountains were carved from advancing ice, which melted long before Henry Ford fired up the assembly line for the Model-A.
Must have been those pesky Wolly Mammoth burps.

Tennis · 2 months ago

There are NO "indisputable answers" to anything. In science, our understanding of the world is expressed in theories. In science, a theory is not a guess, its not "just" a theory. Gravity, evolution, viruses and bacteria causing illness, all theories. The arguments against climate change are all designed to sow doubt, confusion and fear but they are baseless. The certainty you seek is nearly impossible and by the time some people on this blog would be convinced, it would be far too late.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

You are wrong. Gravity, evolution,viruses and bacteria are proven scientifically. At the beginning they were just theory but as science progressed scientist were able to prove these theories. Science has proven that over millions of years the earth has increased in temperature and right now there is no doubt among scientist about that. If you go by that alone then we have global warmng by natural causes. The fact is that scientist are speculating that the increase is by the CO2 made by man. But CO2 made by natural causes far exceed anything that man has done. And that has been proven. So your theory has no merit. There lies the problem. Is it man made or natural causes? When scientist can't agree on what damage man made causes has done then we walk around like a bunch of headless chickens. So instead we have meaning less political battles and a bunch of meaning less theories. So your meaning less argument for climate change us no different then the meaning less argument against it.

Why aren't you demanding better answers instead of just following some scientific theories? Why should everyone else who questions these theories?

It is just like the H1N1. There are more deaths from a typical flue season then the H1N1 but the government, AMA, CDC and media has eveyone in a panic over it.

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

Please look up the scientific meaning of "theory." A theory is the highest level of scientific understanding.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Actually, after theory comes law...but there are actually few of those....People refer to the "Law of Gravity" which is wrong...it's actually still only a theory because in order to be a law, it has to be absolute.

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

C2TC;
I'm confused, if law is absolute, why then do we only "practice" law rather than execute it?

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

You are not completely incorrect, a theory is the highest level of scientific understanding possible.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. This tends to limit their application. For example: the rate at which on object accelerates
when it falls.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

Laws and facts are kind of boring. Theories give scientists the ability to conceptualize something.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Gravity is not theory. Gravity is calculated with equasions containing mass, rotational spin etc. They can calculate the gravity on the moon and other planets with the same equasion. But they can't figure out if CO2 is man made or natural causes? Of course if they state that it is natural causes then they will all look like fools because of the panic they have created.

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

Pandasthumb;
It's easily explained in the #1 best seller/ the BIBLE / First time around ice second time around fire.
do we all agree that we've been through the first go around?
Probably not, but everyone posting has agreed core temps. are rising.

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

The Bible is just a book. (And a poorly written one at that)

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

Panda;
I'm not refuting that's it's just a book - I'm simply stating that the "absolute law" from its pages states first ice then fire!
Your chances today of meeting your demise by ice are slim and nil, but by fire, - eh - considering the nuclear proliferation undertaken - it should be a sure bet.

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

rpmtohz;
It's easily explained in the #1 best seller / the BIBLE / First time around ice second time around fire.
Do we all agree that we've been through the first go around?
Probably not, but everyone posting has agreed core temps. are rising.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Umm...legal law is practiced....which explains why there are so many bad lawyers....they don't "practice" enough....
Scientific Law is absolute, uncontested and never refuted, which is why there are so few scientific laws.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

As long as you and the other clowns keep on insisting the global warming is totally caused by mankind you might start helping to stop it by closing your mouth and sitting on some thick pillows more often. It seems most of the hot air(Co2 and methane) is coming from the likes of you and those that agree with you. LOL

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

Global warming is dead. Deal with it.

tlovesm · 2 months ago

There is no denying that there is a cooling trend right now. And mind you, it's a very strong cooling trend. Records are being broken on a daily basis world wide (www.iceagenow.com). It's this cooling that is making people stop in their tracks to say, "hmm, maybe the media is leading us on with GW." Media leading us on? What else is new?!?

There are thousands of professionals who believe the world is cooling and that we're not in iminent danger from worldwide catastrophe. Skeptics aren't denying an overall warming trend - they are mearly requesting more studying because the oh so great computer models have messed up already - and we're barely getting started. If they have messed up this early, how in the world can we rely on them to predict 50 to 100 years out? Crazy!

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

Ummm, the site you reference also claims that there are no transitional fossils either.

Do I need to explain further?

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

tlovesm;
Explain that logic to the Polar Bears and their loss of habitat - too bad its not true.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Why did Al Gore ask that a reporter's microphone be turned off when asked why the polar bear population has actually exploded?

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

C2TC;
They were mating and Al being the consummate gentleman, did not want to disturb them?

Tennis · 2 months ago

There are absolutely NOT thousands of "professionals" who believe the earth is cooling.

LoneRanger8491 · 2 months ago

Read or listen to the 2 men noted here. Prof. Richard Linson, M.I.T. Meterologist and Lord Christopher Monckton, former advisor to British P.M. and a climate change expert.

You only have to give those 2 a chance and listen to their take on Global Warming. Unfortunately those that would rather believe Al Gore won't give any credit to any other voice on the subject. Gore gives no credability to any opposition and he refuses to answer or debat Lord Monckton least of all anyone who will challenge him. That is no different of Gore even when he was running for president. He avoided the real questions. A few years ago he spoke at a college here in Massachusetts and wouldn't allow news cameras or questions from the audience. Now there's a real politition. People are now disecting his movie of which he won an Academy Award and a Nobel Prize. They are finding flaws in the assertions. Global Warming? I had to turn up the heat in my home in early October when I usually start around this time of year.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Lindzen is one of the ONLY credible scientists who dispute anthropogenic climate change and he offers little more than "I just don't buy it" to support his arguments. Mockton is a joke and can't even get his math right.

Next?

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

Tennis;
Retired meteorologist Bruce S. from Channel 4 WBZ TV.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Good Ole Brucie isnt a climatologist and there a mountain of hard science behind global warming.

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

Lindzen's models have been proved incorrect, kind of like your spelling of his last name.

Here is an article that pretty much rips him apart.

Just because you have a "Dr." in front of your name doesn't make you right. Einstein made some terrible mistakes in his career.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2...

LoneRanger8491 · 2 months ago

I spelled his name from seeing it spelled on the television. My english teacher would be surprised to know I misspelled anything
I suppose you've by the way you corrected my spelling one of those that you claim to dislike. Worse part, you're probably worse than those

you so want to make look small over such a small item.

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

Gore is a typical lying,hypocritical liberal. He uses 240 times the power in his home than the average American does every year. The liberals call it climate change now,as they know how foolish they sound saying GW.

Tennis · 2 months ago

Gore is brilliant and deserves the accolades he is getting. His home is more energy efficient, per square foot, than most homes in America. Let me ask though, even IF he was a hypocrite, would that make him wrong? (think before you answer).

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

He bought carbon credits to offset his energy use...it's that like paying a fine for littering? Either way, he's still polluting the environment.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Oh, and he also said it was run on biodeisel....problem is, it's been sitting in Lake Smithville in Tennessee for over a year and strangely, the marina where he docks it doesn't sell bio-deisel...

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

How about Gore's houseboat "Bio Solar 1" (yes, that's right, he named it B.S.1)
He claimed it had solar panels, yet, once photos of the behemoth surfaced on the web showing it plugged in to electrical service at the slip, he claimed the panels were backordered and would be put on ASAP.
What a crock.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Oh, and he also said it was run on biodeisel....problem is, it's been sitting in Lake Smithville in Tennessee for over a year and strangely, the marina where he docks it doesn't sell bio-deisel...

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

Wow Where's that RedSox guy? He usually gets on here and starts jumping on others for this climate issue especially when they say the climate change isn't happening the way he believes it is. Hang on to your hats folks. No doubt he will arrive with a vengence on this one LOL

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

He's out working extra hours to pay for the extra heat he's going to need this winter.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

How can he be out working to pay for heat? He already stated he makes more that most people dream of so he should be able to afford any outrageous hike in energy prices that most of us can't.

ipso_facto · 2 months ago

He must have flown off to the south in his Gulfstream to avoid the chill.

amous12784 · 2 months ago

I think we should look more at the climate changes in Asia and other areas. So much of the work that used to be performed in the USA has been seen over there so there has to be an impact on the climate that is steadily becoming much more industrialized. That should tell us something.

thecat · 2 months ago

many scientists predict a cooling prior to warming

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Wow...brilliant....so if the the earth cools 3 degrees than warms 3 degrees you're at a net zero gain, but clearly there is cooling and warming going on, so let's tax it!!!!

Ronzo9 · 2 months ago

How did it go from "Global warming" to "Climate Change"? Of course the climate will change....they are called "seasons" !

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Climate change is used because people are confusing temperature with the overall phenomena. Climate change does not refer to seasonal changes - but changes in the overall climate of the earth - which are measurable and reported on. The majority of scientists agree that there is a change on-going and that man has contributed to this.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

Until there are thermometers covering every square mile of the surface of the earth, every fathom of the depth of the ocean and every few hundred feet of our atmosphere through the stratosphere, we'll never truly know the extent of climate change. A current might change, which causes water temps to rise/fall....a heat wave on a continent might be offset by a cold front off the coast, or lower atmosphere temps could vary widely from uppper atmosphere temps.
People point to glacial recession as an indicator of global warming, when in reality, the temperature 20,000 feet above that glacier might be much cooler than normal (thus, an offset)....or an area in the Sahara desert might actually be two degrees cooler that year....
how come nobody has suggested the core of the earth hasn't heated up???? I mean, considering the mass of the core is astronomically great, and less than 20 miles of dirt and rock separate us from it, why couldn't this be a factor??? Gas, like CO2, is a poor conductor of heat, so it's highly unlikely gas could warm a liquid like the ocean or even the continent....but molten metal over 10,000 degrees a few miles under the ground could...don't you think???

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Have you seen the link to the nasa site? it is somewhere in this chain - - a very good site, as there are many from a previous discussion from a guy named Tennis.

I understand that there are alternate views - but the more i read and poke around the subject - the more convinced I am that it is real....I try to be fair and review both sides....and I admit that it is hard sometimes not going into something without an angle - but I do believe the evidence is there and that there should be a combined effort of nations to cut down on CO2 production.....

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

I'll look at it later....
But, I can't help thinking there's something greater than a gas causing icecaps to melt. Take an ice cube and put it in a 400 degree oven (where the air in the oven is 400 degrees)..then take a similarly sized ice cube and run it under 60 degree tap water....tell me which melts first....if you say the one subjected to warm air in the 400 degree oven, you'd be wrong...the 340 degree cooler water will melt the ice quicker because it's a better conductor of heat.
That's why I struggle with the idea that a fraction of a degree of atmospheric temperature rise is causing icecaps to melt.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

It is an interesting concept.....I will have to ask some science friends about this - - do you have links to any sites that discusses this theory? Thinking out loud (which may not be a great way to think) - could the answer be that the poles are trapping more of the heat so that the global temp is a fraction - but at the caps it is worse? I don't know ..... It is an interesting thought about the ground issues (just saw an article on a split in the African continent that wil eventually (million years) be a new ocean - but the ground DID split!

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

MMM;
Ask your science friends - since scientists have determined that our globe has picked up speed, albeit not a lot, could the additional friction (=heat) created play a factor?

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

This is interesting theory - but it doesn't explain the spike in CO2 measured by Nasa.....

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

MMM;
Since the globe is covered by 75% water, the spike in CO2 is from the eutrophication occurring naturally in all bodies of water throughout the globe.
Pytoplankton is the culprit.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Interesting - as I was reading new posts - check MSLPATRICK (close to this name) below....he mentions something similar....

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

I don't have links to sites, but I've got a little background in conductive mediums, air or gas is definitely the least efficient.

P.S. Not that I care, but I'm curious how many people will stick an ice cube in their oven tonight... :-)
(just make sure you put it on a towel and put the towel on a sheetpan...otherwise, the conductive properties of the sheetpan (metal) will melt the ice.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

LOL - good one! I am sure many will try- to be honest - if I wasn't buried with work stuff - I might have tried it myself!!

Tennis · 2 months ago

You simply don't understand how greenhouse gases work. They trap LongWave radiation and reflect it back to the earth. It has nothing to do with conducting heat. If Greenhouse Gasses are such poor "conductors" how can they keep the earth as warm as it is? Without them all of the heat built up by solar input during the day would bleed off into space, the earth would be frozen.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

What I'm saying is, raising the temperature of the atmosphere a fraction of a degree will NOT melt ice, especially not dense packed blue ice.

MR Peeps · 2 months ago

C2TC, you should leave it to the experts, like Al Gore - the man is a "Thinker".

scottdad · 2 months ago

"If Greenhouse Gasses are such poor "conductors" how can they keep the earth as warm as it is?"

this is a contradiction

scottdad · 2 months ago

"You simply don't understand how greenhouse gases work. They trap LongWave radiation and reflect it back to the earth."

...which causes evaporation which cools the earths surface and blocks insolation

an abundance of co2 in the atmosphere is actually good for trees.
a decade ago the alarmists claimed that we were killing the earth buy reducing plant population.

buldog · 2 months ago

Thanks for the clarification that "GLOBAL warming" is different than Seasonal changes.

Sorry, it is very hard to try to respect what you say after a statement like that!

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Sorry - did you see the question:

How did it go from "Global warming" to "Climate Change"? Of course the climate will change....they are called "seasons" !

Honestly....If you have nothing substantive to add, then please keep insulting comments to yourself......

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

What proof that man has caused it? Scientist are arguing back and forth but no one has stated that it is from industrialization. Instead of risking our businesses and jobs on theory I would prefer to have more consistent evidence and agreement among the scientist. Sorry but theories just don't cut it when we risk so much. Then maybe it is the Democrats to start new "green" business since they ran our other business out of the country.

You want an envireomental change then try this one. We have 20% of the population on welfare, Government from local, state and fed employment over 40% who is paying the taxes? Do you think the American people can support more government, social programs and government supported jobs without more taxes? The healthcare bill, cap and trade and bailouts are looking like the democrats have found another income instead of just the taxpayer.

aymsley · 2 months ago

Excuse me, but it was not the DEM's that changed the way business has been run. That would be the repubs that changed tax code, and forced "Trade treaties". So that the corporates could go exploit workers and pollute at will in undeveloped and corrupt countries. The Chamber of Commerce contributes to these Repubs on such a scale that our elections process had the Dems with their hand just as deep into the cookie jar now as well. BUt you statements could have easily been taught to you by your bobbleheads spouting off on your opinion radio and TV that you somehow consider truth. If it is angry, it must be true. If a white guy says it on TV haw could it be wrong. Your ignorance is an embarrassment to America.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

I don't hate America or it's values. I dislike morons like you who think they have the right to dictate to other how to live. You obvioulsy don't love this country because you hate the fact that people have the freedom and independence to live their lives as they wish.
Someday maybe you will learn the difference between being social and socialism. But I doubt it because you are too arrogrant.

And you I know there are more cars today. so instead of installing a good public transportation system the Dumbocrats attack the businesses. People like you will buy a big SUV as a status symbol and complain about the price of gasoline. You won't give up the SUV and use public transportation because you think it is beneath you.

I am not the one forcing my values on you, you are. I am not the one stealing peoples money and calling it taxes for the "poor" people, you are. I am not the one asking our government to support "poor" people you are. You are a bunch of phonies who have no respect for what this country has stood for, for over 200 years. But your still arrogant enough to call your self an AMERICAN. You have no respect for our Constutition or Bill of Rights. You claim to live by a higher standard. Bunch of hypocrites.

By the way to prove my point. I said we need a more definitive answers to the Climate change before we financially destroy our country. You say we should just do what the Democrats want because we are right and everyone else is wrong.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Repuba-logic? Ask your self one question. Why is this a difference of left and right wings? For that very purpose people should be demanding better proof than having to take sides. This goes back to the 60s and 70s when the complaint about the smog in our cities. Even after all these years we still have the same problem. So after all the emission controls for our autos and industry it still exists. The government has put a financial burden on our companies, and the people that has done nothing to solve the problem.

You want to talk about renewable sources then look closely at the solutions th Democrats are forcing us to do. We will spend billions to provide a power source that is unreliable and inconsistent. What will the results be? Nothing but a waste of money.

It's the right and moral thing to do? By who's standards? Since when can you or the government tell me it is the right or moral thing to do? What makes you think "your" right and moral thing is better than mine? All it is is a bunch of arrogrant people think they are better than others. I don't care if it is Cap and Trade or the healthcare bill the democrats are trying to dictate their views on the people. The Democrats are violating our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

You may be one of the spineless spoiled brats that want "Big Brother" to hold your hand but I grew up in a free and independent society and prefer to keep it that way. I didn't work hard all my life to support low life on welfare or immigrants imported by democrats to be on welfare. I worked to provide for my family and a better life. All you idiots want to do is dig deeper in my wallet to provide for someone else. You have had too much of the socialist indoctrination of our education system.

So go ahead and bury your head back in the dirt while the Democrat party destroys the foundation of what this country was built on. If Capitalism is too difficult for you to live by than please feel free to move to a socialist country but leave AMERICA alone.

aymsley · 2 months ago

Ahhh, so when we win an election by a MAJORITY, and you guys can't handle it, we should leave? NO, if you guys hate America so much that you don't want to help pay to make it better for all of us, then maybe it is you that should pack and find this magical place that everything is free in. And good luck with that. Fact is, we pay the lowest per capita tax of any industrialized nation in the world. That bad part is that there are too many of you that want to pay even less...Your logic is really bad here...Have you thought about how many more vehicles there are now compared to the 60's? Perhaps you should also stay off the socialist roads, keep the kids out of the socialist schools, don't let them play ball in the socialist parks, oh yeah, and the socialist police and military that keep your butt safe. It isn't socialism, it is community. If you don't want to be a part of it...there are alternatives???

skepsis22 · 2 months ago

rpmtohz;
Excellent post - however there is one ink spot - "immigrants imported by democrats" - Mitt Romney's gardeners come to mind - both sides have always talked out of both sides, yet neither realizes we only have one ecosytem to play chess with.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Cap and trade bill, healthcare bill and $4 trillion purchasing businesses and you say it is the Republicans. You call me ignorant? What you see right in front of your face and you say no it is not true.

Pandasthumb · 2 months ago

There have many peer reviewed articles showing strong evidence for anthropogenic forcing.

Look it up on "the google."

Tennis · 2 months ago

The increase in Greenhouse Gases are due to industrial activity. We know this because isosopes of CO2 and CH4 created by man made causes are different from naturally occurring CO2 and Methane. There is no debate on this. Also, despite the recent cooling caused by low solar output, the temperature trend is going in only one direction. The cost of doing nothing is far greater than the greatly exaggerated cost of cap and trade.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

The fact that people are having these disagreements right now is proof that your views are not facts. I am tired of these discussions because they are going nowhere. We will destroy ourselves financially over theories. It is tme we stop the nonsense and bring a conclusion of what is really happening. Apparently that makes too much sense too you. Why because you might be proven wrong?

aymsley · 2 months ago

So using your Repub-logic, if two sides disagree then neither side has facts that are true? It isn't about the money. It is about the future and whether there is one. I don't understand why you would want to fight conservation. I don't understand the need for people like you to fight better & renewable energy. Of course it will cost us money. Just like providing health care will cost money. There is no argument from me there. But it is still the right and moral thing to do in both instances. So you go ahead and fret over those taxes, but when you lose your job or income, I'll betcha (a Palin phrase for you) that you will not refuse medical care because that bad old evil government is in charge of it.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Tennis has provided links to support ALL of his statements in this and in the original article on health care - - while he has asked, I have yet to see one - ONE - link regarding data that disputes it....i see a lot of opinions thrown around - but nothing in terms of links to any scientific evidence that disputes the global warming/climate change theories

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Yeah, Tennis is so brilliant? Quote there is a difference between CO2 man made and CO2 natural made. They are the same gas. That is why it is nothing but BS.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

I have recently learned that there are different isotopes in carbon....as I read the science - and I don't exactly have the numbers right - but between C12, C13 and C14 - scientists have measured the change in the makeup of the increased levels of carbon dioxide. They can therefore identify the ratios between naturally occurring CO2 and the CO2 created by man (burning fossil fuels, etc).....The ratios show that along with the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere - there is a decrease in the ratio of naturally occurring CO2 (spring to fall weather, etc) and that of man made - meaning that the man made carbon isotopes are increasing faster than those tied to naturally occurring phenomena

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

Wow what brilliance? Different CO2 gases. Just goes to prove you will believe some political paper spewing nonsense over facts. I am not even arguing about "climate change" but the fact but the fact we are panicking over inconclusive evidence the it is mand made. CO2 whether man made or but fossil fuels are the same thing. that is where the disagreement is between scientist. Again this is more about politics so the sheep will follow the party.

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

You ought to know all about Methane. LOL You should be sitting on thick pillows(the kind with carbon filters) to help save the planet.

rpmtohz · 2 months ago

CO2 consist of atoms. 1 Carbon 2 oxygen. Whether it be man made or natural they are the same. Try looking it up. You might be able to fool other Dumbocrats but you still can't change the fact most of the CO2 is natural causes. Science may not be able to give us undisputable evidencce but it certainly can provide better answers then we have. The first thing that needs to be done is to take it out of the hands of college professors that their own livelyhood is depending on government grants. What would you have to lose? Finding out it is not true? What about the senator who stated that the EPA has proof that all our efforts will do next to nothing. I think before we destroy the remaining business we need bettr answers. Of course that is rational thinking. Something that has always eluded the Democrats.

Tennis · 2 months ago

the point in differentiating between "natural" and "man-made" is to illustrate that the increase in CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) is caused solely by man. Greenhouse gases haven't been at levels this high in about 800,000 years. Since greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation and reflect it back to earth, they keep the earth warm. The higher the concentrations, the more heat is trapped. It really is that simple. Climate change research has been going on for decades. people like you will never be satisfied with the amount of research. As for your demand that research be taken out of the hands of actual scientists, perhaps you should learn about peer-review.

MrMann · 2 months ago

JUst goes to show you the rich(Al Gore ) get richer

MrMann · 2 months ago

Just goes to show you the rich(Al Gore)get richer

Look at the new MIT study

aymsley · 2 months ago

Perhaps you are referring to the new MIT study that states that the pcurrent predictions are wrong? That it could be as much as twice as bad as previously thought? How the hell you ostriches can bury your heads and try to spin that is beyond me. Try yahoo or google MIT Climate study and skip the energy consortium spin document. You conservative have ruined the planet for profit for long enough. I think you should all move to New Hampshire and choose option 2 of their motto...

scottdad · 2 months ago

i love how the "open minded" always want the opposition to die.

aymsley · 2 months ago

You mean the open minded that actually read what the MIT study says rather than quoting from something they have never researched? If the world was left to you Repugnicants we would still be taught that the world is flat. As for theories. The only people who still believe that evolution is a theory are the flat worlders. DaVinci was a theorist...Einstien was a theorist. Figure it out and think...read...educate yourself before you spout...

scottdad · 2 months ago

you lefties don't even believe that humans exist in the womb. somehow, by magic a fetus becomes a baby when it takes a breath of air. i believe your head is flat.

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

No - that is not the case - at least not in my case....i understand the issues of life - and the complexities of abortion.....so scottdad - do you have daughters, sons - are you married at all....what if your wife was to give birth to a baby that was so deformed that it would have zero quality of life, and you knew that early on....what if your daughter was gang raped at her senior prom, you want her to carry the baby and live with the nightmare for the rest of her life....what if your wife was the victim of incest in the family and was raped, or your daughter....you see - it is easy for the one-liners - to hold high principles until it hits home

scottdad · 2 months ago

these are your excuses for abortion MassMiddleMan. they are seldom the reason.

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

I'm certainly not a leftie, but I firmly believe in a woman's right to decide what she can do with her own body. It's not something you or anyone else has a say in.

And it's not magic, unlike your religious beliefs: it is a physical fact of life. Life does not begin at conception; it begins when the fetus is born and takes that first breath of air.

It's your right to believe what you want, but it's certainly not your right to impose your beliefs on others.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

DaVinci conceptualized the combustible engine....yes, that evil device that we all rely on to get to work, soccer practice, Starbucks, and, heaven forbid, to the hospital in an emergency....guess he couldn't theorize the irreperable (sp?) damage it would do to the world.

Tennis · 2 months ago

New "MIT Study"? Care to provide a little more info Mr. Mann??

seealotofthings2 · 2 months ago

MIT is in Massachusetts. And to think you didn't know where it was LOL

Tennis · 2 months ago

Perhaps actually citing this MIT study? provide a link to it maybe?

A.Lincoln · 2 months ago

Why do Conservatives hate America so much?

BufordPusser · 2 months ago

Mr. Lincoln, you yourself were a Republican.

I know it's been a while, but maybe you need to hit the Geritol.

A.Lincoln · 2 months ago

Pusser, Lincoln was the first/last true Republican - Liberal, for a strong Federal Government, pro-equal rights, pro-education, pro-industrial regulation, pro- fair-trade, pro-religious freedom, and pro-income tax. "Modern" Republicans might as well be called "Anti-Lincolnists". You're welcome for the history lesson, sonny.

aymsley · 2 months ago

Republicans were not always the party of white businessmen, bigots, and the intentionally ignorant. That has been a gradual shift over the last 30-50 years or so. The last one with a clue left office telling us what to beware of...We need more Ike's in the party of the stupid...

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

It's interesting how liberals think that anyone that disagrees with them are "Republicans." I have never had anything to do with the Republican party, yet think the liberal way of thinking is for the clueless. How does that make me a Republican?

stormwts1 · 2 months ago

It's you we hate as does America herself.

A.Lincoln · 2 months ago

We've heard your fearful crying before. Why do hate America so much? Too many blacks? Too many Jews? Too many schools? Not enough prison camps and gas chambers?

bertcj1 · 2 months ago

The Libs are the ones that hate everything America stands for. Capitalism,freedom of speech,individualism,and most of the constitution. It's been 145 yrs since we've had a civil war.Sounds like those limp-wrists are pushing for another.

Tennis · 2 months ago

"limp-wrists"??? Wow you really showed us..is that all you got moron?

MassMiddleMan · 2 months ago

Tennis - I must say - I thought you were above this....i know you are frustrated - being right and surrounded by those who do not care to learn - do not want to listen - simply want to walk around in their blissful ignorance ....ignore it....There are some on here who like to argue theories and facts and listen -- the rest - their just one-liner types because they are afraid of their wives or something...

Tennis · 2 months ago

massmiddleman - I digress...you are right, I'm just really fed up with these folks.

Jammer Man · 1 month ago

Then go away, Tennis ... because we're not leaving.

Conservative2TheCore · 2 months ago

if Libs love America so much, why do you want to "change" it? Isn't that what you voted for? Change?

michaellovesnyc · 2 months ago

We DID spend - and squander - billions of dollars "fighting" the supposed global cooling. Back then CFC's were the supposed culprit and millions of people lost their jobs when they were banned. Ooops. Maybe we should bring back CFC's.

Tennis · 2 months ago

We did what? CFCs were causing...cooling? Really?

michaellovesnyc · 1 month ago

Global Cooling Article from Newsweek 1975 - EXPERTS ! - http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Tennis · 1 month ago

Interesting, and well known. This is an example of bad reporting, not bad science. There was no published research suggesting "global cooling" and the article contains a lot of speculation, not hard science. There was no consensus in the 70's claiming "global cooling" was happening. To compare this to the massive, overwhelming mountain of hard science and decades of research supporting current climate change theory is absurd and intellectually bankrupt.

Also, where is the support for your absurd claim that CFCs were cooling the planet and that we spent billions fighting global cooling or that "millions lost their jobs"? None of that happened.

thecat · 1 month ago

YA ALL THIS "COOLING" IS why i can sail a ship between haliafax and nome in the summer