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Re: Cal Classic

mwest72 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:00:13 -0000

why123, you are not as clever as you think you are. Re-read my post. I said ONE OF the greatest comebacks in MVC history, not the greatest. Also I said Methuen sends kids to great colleges. I did NOT say Methuen sends kids to BETTER colleges than CCHS. I am a former member of the Methuen Ranger Band, with a younger sibling in last year's band, a Methuen High graduate and attending UMass Lowell. My point was, and I admit I went off the subject of the football game, was that you don't need to spend $40,000 on high school to be successful in life, and no person is any better than another because their parents are paying for high school.

Re: Cal Classic

politicalmadman — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:52:26 -0000

Most caoches do live on the field- kind of like being in the play so to speak.

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why123 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:07:47 -0000

Both team did play hard but we played hard to the whistle...methuen players arent disciplined and you call us undisciplined...the parents of the parents must not have any discipline at all for not teaching it to their kids....but its ok you guys won but it sure isnt because you are better than us....

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MassMiddleMan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:01:14 -0000

Nice language....The game is played on the field. The result speaks for themselves. It was a chippy game on both sides. Both sides played hard. The woman writing complained about things she had no idea about. On the parking lot stuff, it was wrong to do that. Agreed. Off field stuff like that is uncalled for.

However, let us look at your coach - ignoring the rules and being out on the field almost the entire second half. He should have been flagged - and he wasn't. The refs did a good job not penalizing you for his actions. By its own actions -it does not show a sense of discipline - in fact a lack of discipline - and/or a blatant disregard for the rules.

There was pushing and shoving by both sides - what you call playing hard - I could call a cheap shot - and vice versa. It is part of the game. The refs called it the way they saw it - and in the end - they are the same for both sides. If you don't know how many Methuen has - why are you assuming they had a lot???? Who needs to do the research. I never claimed you guys had a lot....but the refs did not lose the game for you. Two mishandled punts could be blamed....if Methuen lost - it could have been that there were a number of bad snaps.....the results stand - and latino2 should just have said that both teams played hard - which they did.

Lastly - using the word retarded - not a nice thing to do. You have no idea who has what issues in their family. Show respect.

Re: Cal Classic

why123 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:54:13 -0000

wow you really are retarded mass middleman....methuen never got a penalty central did when one of your players punched ours and our player didnt do anything that is discipline he just walked away and we got the penalty....you guys have no discipline driving into our parkinglot and start yelling stufff and talking trash...obviously the parents of those football players have no discipline....so if i was you i would shut up...and we didnt cheap shot we play hard to the whistle that was the first game we got a personal foul against us this year, and im sure methuen has had alot so do your research pal...

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why123 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:48:28 -0000

Ok kid what ever you say i know who you are you mwest you are Ryan Barry...It wasnt the greatest comeback in M.V.C history. because how about when central faced dracut we were down 14-0 and we came back to beat them 25-21 so you should shut up because you sound really stupid. And you dont really go to better colleges you have kids going to northernessexs communtiy college, we have kids going to wakeforest,and harvard...

Re: Cal Classic

MassMiddleMan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:45:50 -0000

agreed - it puts Cal in a difficult situation - articles like this puts pressure on the individual athlete and makes it look like him hogging glory when nothing further could be the truth - - he is just not that type of individual

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MassMiddleMan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:43:49 -0000

This is the problem with news reporting on football - if there is a strong offensive performance - the defense is overlooked - totally agree with your comments

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kjwright — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:59:52 -0000

Sure Cal is a good athlete and I can recall a play that without his second and third effort the game could have ended differently. But the defense kept Central to a mere 12 points while being backed up in deep in their enf for most of the game, due to an ineffective offense. But in the end the offensive line pulled it togther and never gave up and their tired defense held tight. To me it sounds like an overwhelming TEAM EFFORT. Not just a 1 or 2 man show as posted in the paper.

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Screw_You_Creepo — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:22:35 -0000

A few things:
1.) That was pass interference at the end of the first half. The Methuen defender had his back turned to the play and made contact with the receiver before the ball reached him.
2.) Time is kept by the officals on the field. The time on the scoreboard is not the official time. Also, the clock stops after a first down to reset the chains.
3.) The Central fans crying about Methuen being too physical should relax. It's football. Also, nobody is talking about the kid from Central who was taking swings after the play and taunting the Methuen crowd when his team was ahead. I won't mention names, but let's just say he dropped a punt late in the game that could have been a deciding factor.
4.) Whether or not that was pass interference late in the game, the real mistake was the fact that the Methuen receiver caught that ball in bounds when they called in an incomplete pass. That was the real mistake by the officials. Check out the photo in the E-T on Saturday. He was in there with possession.
5.) Everyone needs to quit crying. Central has had its share of calls in this rivalry. Quit crying and move on and try and win the MVC large, then go dominate in hoops.

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kjwright — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:03:18 -0000

I would like to know their was so much emphasis
put on Cal Carroll for the Methuen Central victory?
It took the entire Methuen Rangers team to win this
game not just Cal. The defense team played very
well, yet the tribune only states A Carroll Classic.
I am dissapointed in the article, I would have like to
have seen more acknowledgement give to the entire team.

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396 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:13:17 -0000

after watching this game it's clear these are two pretty good teams well coached and they both play hard nose football. if these teams were to play ten games with each other they would split five and five. so please don't say there were bad calls toward central or methuen it was a great game and for that night the better team won. good luck to both of them the rest of the way.

Re: Cal Classic

MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:38:15 -0000

Can you say - poor loser....

I mean honestly

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mark shepherd — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:16:39 -0000

latino2, I am sorry. I've read your posts all day and I have to say, you are ignorant. I was at the game, as I have for each of the Methuen games over the past 4 years. Are there bad calls or missed calls? Of course there are. In this case, what we had were two very equal teams beating each others heads in all game long. In the end, Methuen came out on top. End of story. I was standing 30' from the end zone on that "blown pass interference call" and I watched as both refs, who clearly saw the play, looked at one another and they both acknowledged that they did not feel there was a penalty. It has happened to Methuen any number of times, this year and in years past.
On the "Blown" call with the fair catch. The Methuen kid was blocked into the CC punt returner. The returner failed to make the catch, even though his hands were on the ball. No penalty for that, like it or not. Thats the rule and I overheard the official state this to the CC bench.
As for the clock stoppage; every time there is a first down in high school football, the clock is stopped while the ball is set and the chains are moved. Once everything is set, the whistle is blown and the clock begins again. Know your rules before you start to cry about it. Sounds like sour grapes to me and all the other Methuen fans and parents reading your posts.
As for CC coaches, they were not only on the field all night, but well into the field of play and should have been flagged for this. They were not. I watched many instances where a CC kid pushed or punched a Methuen kid after the play stopped. It happened both ways, and thats football.
As for the kid getting flagged for retailiating!!! OMG, are you kidding. What the ref explained was in response to the coach saying his kid only retailiated to getting hit first. The ref was stating that they did not see the first hit, only the one in which the CC player hit the Methuen kid. DISCIPLINE and that never happens. Get over it and lose with dignity, please. You lost on all counts, both on the field and in these blogs. Instead of congratulating the CC kids for a game well played, this is what you do. Hope you don't have a kid playing, because if you do, your teaching him all the wrong things. Move on.

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:43:43 -0000

Sorry - I am not angry - you are the one who thinks the refs are out to get you....
Bad officiating is never bad for one side - if they are bad - they are bad....i can tell
You that on the Methuen side - there were a number of moans and groans.
BTW - I only responded to YOUR post - you know, the one you logged into - to complain
About the unfairness of the refs at the game - - you know - vs. congratulating the other team.
BTW - I am not angry - because - METHUEN WON! I am disappointed that a parent from CCHS would
Log in to this article and complain about the refs - as if that is what lost the game. And in this
Post - you say 'something stinks' ----why don't you complain to MIAA - so THEY can tell you that
Official time is kept ON THE FIELD and that the clock you see is meaningless in deciding when the
Periods end! Clearly - you asked for the rules - I told you how it works - and now you have a
Conspiracy theory as to 'something stinks' -- want to think again about who needs to get a life!

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Guest — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:20:54 -0000

You keep twisiting this, I have never never ever said they didn't play
great, I have been hammering away at the inconisistencie in reffing and I
hold my stand. And remember the ohter team was AHEAD until the last 7
seconds. And considering the whole clock issue, somehting stinks. You
need to calm down, and stop creating issues in regards to class, tuition,
etc. This is about really bad officiating, end of story, get a life, and get
some help for your insane anger.

Re: Cal Classic

MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:38:28 -0000

Ok - you need to take a course on having some class - I JUST EXPLAINED - OFFICIAL TIME IS KEPT ON THE FIELD.....what part of that do you not understand??? The clock you see is IRRELEVANT!!!! The ref with the white hat is responsible for the official time....Last time I checked - they didn't switch ref crews when Methuen had the ball - both teams had the same crew......or - is there a conspiracy theory that they were out for central?? You lost - get over it - it is just a game......the kids played great - STOP making excuses. It’s a shame - you lost on the field - and now you are acting like a loser in life with all of this dribble....

Re: Cal Classic

Guest — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:20:40 -0000

I saw them put their hands up in "defense", after taking a couple of cheap shots from Meth. if you call that retaliation, so be it. I suggest you get some "anger management" help because you are seriously going off the deep end. And as far as the clock goes, Meth scored in the last 4 seconds of a game in which the clock should have kept running but was stopped in certian instances.

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:39:54 -0000

First - you, who doesn't know the clock rules are going to pull a 'Duh' on me!?!?

Second - as i said - it is called DISCIPLINE - you know - what you are paying the 10K for to get at CCHS...(i am a graduate of there)

CCHS retaliated - Methuen did not - the retaliator almost always gets called - in football and in basketball - - CCHS Retaliated = LACK of discipline and self control....Methuen did NOT retaliate = Discipline and self-control

In any sport - the loser can blame the refs, umps, etc....especially in HS - if they were perfect - they would be in the pros.....losers with class just move on - another trait they USED to teach at CCHS....

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Guest — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:22:20 -0000

Duh, it's football, of course it does. It just happens that along with everything else, Methuen never to called on it but Central did didn't they??

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:54:03 -0000

Ok - as I read top to bottom now I am mad....look - you need to remember - some of your better players - THEY ARE FROM METHUEN - and your school - it leads the BIG SCHOOL CONFERENCE because you get to (A) recruit and (B) select from the whole merrimack valley -..... Methuen won because they played a more disciplined game (only big penalties were for delay of game - which, they need to work on!)
The clock - you need to see earlier posts - the field clock is not the offical time!
Why not just congratulate the winning team - and let it be at that....and, if you want to talk sportsmanship - - tell Coach A to keep his 'A' off the field!!! it is an infraction - and he simply ignored the refs asking him to move back -- the refs did a great job in not penalizing the kids for his continued ignorant behavior..

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:50:37 -0000

First of all - Announcers are HOME FIELD announcers - it is a matter of fact - and there is no problem with them being homies.....i go to many HS games - and that is just the way it is - it really does seem like sour grapes here.....

CCHS had a number of cheap shots on the sidelines on the methuen side that I saw - the refs let some of it go - on both sides - in almost all sports - the retaliator gets the call - it is called discipline....the reason methuen didn't get calls - is because they did not retaliate after CCHS cheap shots....

BTW - it happens in every foot ball game

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Guest — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:48:59 -0000

so, pretty sure now there was time during the last two minutes that the clock should have been running at it clearly was not. thank you.

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:47:23 -0000

You cannot look at the clock at MHS - the guy running it is never in synch with the field clock - - official time is kept on the field. That is why you see the clock running when it shouldn't be - if you look - the official timekeeper is trying to get the clock you see in synch with the official time on the field.

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MassMiddleMan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:45:07 -0000

Refs were not a deciding factor - I was there and they had missed calls on both sides....also - they should have penalized CCHS for having the coaches on the field - and they would not get off - this is a foul as well and they LIVED on the field the whole fourth quarter!!!